Kobe was not the best player on the team for all 5 of the rings he won. If you look at the actual analytics, Pau was better than kobe in those finals runs. And obviously Shaq was better than Kobe

You are taking the ring argument completely out of context. Rings do not make a player great. Or we would be talking about Pippin as a top 5 players.

Kobe was an incredibly inefficient scorer that got worst in the playoffs. He was terrible under clutch time.

There is nothing dumb about the argument. Its facts. Kobe shot a worst % than league average. Meaning it was a better option for an average player to shot than kobe.

Kobe is overrated AF. Take away your bias because you liked the rapist.

I've literally never seen you put forth anything worthwhile whatsoever.

I see so you talk about times when he won a ring then immediately say it doesnt matter, nice strawman.

He had a lifetime 44.7 percent shooting average and you calling him a bum

He averaged more than 8.2 ppg over Pau. So not sure what you think basketball is but you need to score points to win a game. He only averaged 3 more shot attempts per game lifetime over Pau? He also averaged more assists and 5 rebounds as a shooting guard. So if one were to actually look at the data it just proves you wrong more.

Kobe took less than 2 more shot attempts per game over shaq. So shut your damn mouth a put some respect on a Dead mans name.
again, casual, talking head, dumb shit argument.

This post was edited by Crunkt on May 10 2021 08:46pm

there is no strawman.

the Ring argument without any context means nothing. Or Bill Russell would be the #1 player, Sam jones #2, and Tom Heinsohn/John Havlicek/ KC Jones/Satch sanders would be tied for 3rd.

If you actually take a look at kobe's staff and remove the myth and legend around kobe, he is not anywhere near a top 5 player like lots of ignorant people like to chime on about.

Yes kobe was good, but doesnt come anywhere near the top 5.

You are wrong.

He didnt get carried

you do know what more than 8 ppg per game means? on only 3 shot attempts more?

Do you know how sports work?

How the fuck can you say Kobe got carried?

DID YOU EVEN WATCH THE PLAYOFFS BACK THEN?????

This post was edited by Crunkt on May 10 2021 08:47pm

I said kobe wasnt the best player on the teams where he won a title

i didnt say he got carried.

This post was edited by Fagzuu on May 10 2021 08:48pm

Thats right back the fuck up.

why are you so mad

check the edit. was an obvious typo

but yes, kobe is overrated.

Magic and Shaq said Kobe was the greatest Laker ever after he retired. Are those guys not in your top 10 either? 4th all time in scoring, while a 12 time all-nba defender, dude won 2 rings with Pau fucking Gasol and not much else bro. You are letting analytics fuck with your common sense here.

Not as overrated as most turnovers in NBA history tho.