freeze aura shouldn't be a problem for any build.
Enchant, passion, and widow builds are banned in svs.



That's why I'm asking - it's not particularly useful in high level svs - but it has it's uses and offers other types of cold builds to be viable (its not all about pumping damage numbers higher, its about lowering resis more).

The reason I'm asking is exactly the point you mentioned, back in the day, doom used to be on the list. It eventually got neglected since it was even less popular than infinity/phoenix builds (which already are a rare sight to see).
I'm curious if we'd be willing to allow them once again, as they once were.
I guess this conversation is more fit for general SvS rules than this tournament specifically ...but semantics xD

Freeze would be the end of me...

Doom too OP with a max CR cap of 450. You'll kill in like 3 ice blasts

With doom you can reach 350 Peirce being in hell would equal 450 making ib 2 shot 3.6k life with 7-8k ib damage tested this on my sorc with nothing but Peirce had 65 fcr though build is good pubs horrible svs due to mobility issues

These are perfectly good countering arguments.

This kind of sorc is much more aggressively built. It sacrifices mobility, defenses, and other stats in an attempt to further take advantage of lowering resistances.
In reality, this sorc could (nor would) ever really rely on ice blast. It cannot telestomp effectively (telek + tele + IB) due to its low fcr bp, and if anyone tries to telestomp into it, they're misplaying the matchup. Outside of the stomping discussion, ice blast should literally never hit a target unless the target is randomly teleporting and teleports onto an ice blast. It's one of the slowest moving projectiles in the game, it has an incredibly small hitbox, and cannot be reliably desync'd (compare to: 24k fireballs that are fast moving, can triplecast with easily reached 200fcr bp, large hitboxes, and can be reliably and easily desync'd)
In pub games, it would (as sadistic mentioned) be incredibly successful due to the varying matchups that it could exploit.
In SvS, this sorc is at more of a disadvantage then it's typically built counterpart due to significant loss of stats in order to change the playstyle.

I believe this type of sacrifice, in order to have a different playstyle, should be encouraged - like it had been in the past.
This change would also make cold/lightning pairs more viable as a lightning sorc would pair nicely with a hard hitting (but mobility lacking) cold sorc - as a 200fcr 1.8screenlength casting (tele + lightning) sorc can cover the ground the cold sorc cant - both being high hitting, but hard to play sorcs in svs.

pretty sure it just kinda phased out of the rules, though it could have been exploited in another ladder such as cvc and deemed bm by that community. I was there but dont ask for details it was many joints ago on a weed farm far far away.

e/
Aaron would know more

ee/
or max maybe

This post was edited by GNX on May 30 2020 04:07pm

I change my element to cold

Use Cham noob

Doom is not viable in svs. Trust me.

Cham doesn't prevent holy freeze from freezing its the only exception in the game



Under modern rules not old rules i 100% agree.