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Apr 2 2020 12:46pm
Quote (Melatonina @ Apr 2 2020 01:26pm)
Maybe you are too young to understand how things works in society bro, or never heard about corruption.
The "data" you always ask for is available everywhere as I said.
It doesnt change much the fact that money > data, else we would have stoppd poliomyelith vaccination since long already : https://www.thelancet.com/journals/ebiom/article/PIIS2352-3964(17)30046-4/fulltext#%20


One study =/= a consensus of studies

If you could show me a review article that summarizes the current state of literature and it agrees with this study, then you would have a strong case. But one study doesn't make truth.

I agree that money is a powerful influence, but that cuts both ways. You think pharmaceutical companies wouldn't love to cut their R&D costs by 99.999% by synthesizing a medication once and then being able to use that same stock forever because it gets "more powerful" as you dilute it? Fuck yeah they would. Their profits would skyrocket if homeopathic theory was any semblance of correct.

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One study =/= a consensus of studies

If you could show me a review article that summarizes the current state of literature and it agrees with this study, then you would have a strong case. But one study doesn't make truth.

I agree that money is a powerful influence, but that cuts both ways. You think pharmaceutical companies wouldn't love to cut their R&D costs by 99.999% by synthesizing a medication once and then being able to use that same stock forever because it gets "more powerful" as you dilute it? Fuck yeah they would. Their profits would skyrocket if homeopathic theory was any semblance of correct.


I already know that there wont ever be enough data for you to change your opinon. Now you're saying polio vaccination is still useful despite no single case since 40 years lmao.
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I already know that there wont ever be enough data for you to change your opinon. Now you're saying polio vaccination is still useful despite no single case since 40 years lmao.


Except I didn't say that, and you have yet to show me data on the efficacy of homeopathic treatments. However, I have seen plenty of data that shows it only works as well as a placebo.
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Except I didn't say that, and you have yet to show me data on the efficacy of homeopathic treatments. However, I have seen plenty of data that shows it only works as well as a placebo.


please read again post #32
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please read again post #32


You didn't show me any data there lol

At any rate, the best I could possibly give even if you supplied all of your medical records would be a single case study, which while definitely something that counts as "data" would still be on the lowest rung of the evidence pyramid for medicine. Individual case studies are pretty useless, but many can point to larger trends, but regardless no number of case studies will overthrow a well controlled trial, and there are many well controlled trials that have shown no response to homeopathy.
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Quote (Thor123422 @ Apr 3 2020 01:05am)
You didn't show me any data there lol

At any rate, the best I could possibly give even if you supplied all of your medical records would be a single case study, which while definitely something that counts as "data" would still be on the lowest rung of the evidence pyramid for medicine. Individual case studies are pretty useless, but many can point to larger trends, but regardless no number of case studies will overthrow a well controlled trial, and there are many well controlled trials that have shown no response to homeopathy.


You surely know better than everyone using it bro. I'm done discussing with such narrow minded people.
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You surely know better than everyone using it bro. I'm done discussing with such narrow minded people.


Oh, there's people using it? I had no idea! Clearly if people use it that means it works!

Not....

I could say the same thing about faith healers and shamans or literally any other obviously bullshit medical practice. Oh, you surely know better than the psychics performing the psychic healing. Don't believe psychic healing is legitimate? Then you're narrow minded.

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Oh, there's people using it? I had no idea! Clearly if people use it that means it works!

Not....

I could say the same thing about faith healers and shamans or literally any other obviously bullshit medical practice.


You are just a student anyway, your opinion does not matter lmao. But if it can helps you sleep at night it's fine.
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You are just a student anyway, your opinion does not matter lmao. But if it can helps you sleep at night it's fine.


Sounds like youve given up since you dont have anything to offer.

I would love for homeopathic treatment to work. It would make medicine so easy. But its ridiculous in the face of basic chemistry and every trial has turned up nothing but placebo. So unfortunately we can safely conclude it doesn't work.
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Sounds like youve given up since you dont have anything to offer.

I would love for homeopathic treatment to work. It would make medicine so easy. But its ridiculous in the face of basic chemistry and every trial has turned up nothing but placebo. So unfortunately we can safely conclude it doesn't work.


Exactly, you can't make drink a donkey that isn't thirsty..

It's funny when you compare the numbers of recovered/total infected people between China and US.
And even more funny when you put that in perspective with Raoult's drama in France and gov still not allowing hydroxychloroquine despite the emergency.
No seriously though, how can you claim you have the best medicine when you live 2 years less in avg than frenchies despite having the best GDP in the world ?
I guess money can't buy everything bro.
deal with it

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