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Feb 26 2020 04:13pm
I had this argue with a friend about analysing who would win between Caitlyn/Senna and Aphelios/Nautilus pre-6 and post-6.

I have my own opinion but I'll wait a bit before stating it, I'd like yours to come up.

Ofcourse I'd like some kind of explanation other than "This one".

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This post was edited by NomadJe on Feb 26 2020 04:14pm
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Feb 26 2020 05:12pm
tanks win cc wins in the end,, if they can avoid feeding early.. let some cs//exp go if you have to
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Feb 26 2020 06:08pm
lvl 1-5: naut cc not get kills yet, and senna herass lanebully
lvl 6-10: naut ult get picks, when senna is midgaming
lvl 12+: Senna range starts to outperform naut cc


lvl1-5: cait have better waveclear
lvl6-10: Aphelios have the winning skirmish
lvl12+: Cait have the range in teamfights

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Feb 26 2020 06:10pm
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Quote (Tommyvv @ Feb 26 2020 07:08pm)
lvl 1-5: naut cc not get kills yet, and senna herass lanebully
lvl 6-10: naut ult get picks, when senna is midgaming
lvl 12+: Senna range starts to outperform naut cc


lvl1-5: cait have better waveclear
lvl6-10: Aphelios have the winning skirmish
lvl12+: Cait have the range in teamfights


Aphelios has insane range if used correctly as well but way more group damage. I would pick Naut/Aphelios all day in almost every situation other than pre 6.
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Quote (Elements_Fury @ Feb 27 2020 01:54am)
Aphelios has insane range if used correctly as well but way more group damage. I would pick Naut/Aphelios all day in almost every situation other than pre 6.


Sion support>Naut

They are verry simular, they both have a huge cc-ultimate.
overall i would say, Sion q better cc then naut q
Naut huge problem is manacost!
Sion more damage, and can full tank, when Naut may want some mpen or mana
Sion e bigger lanebully then complete Senna

Beleave me, i think Senna is a shit champ that takes Teemo role, but does it wurse.
But seen some late-mid game senna outplay with ice-aa and range abuce
Naut is even more shit!

e/ Naut only nice in lvl6to8 range, you can counter that bye staying under turret and a roaming support
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What about double frostfang botlane?

"Frostfang: Receive diminishing gold from excessive minion kills": Farming more than 20 CS per 5 minutes (3 out of 10 waves) reduces gold from minions by 50%. The penalty increases with further CS to a max of 80% reduction at 50 minions. Once the penalty kicks in, your CS gold is reduced to (70 - CS within 5 minutes)%.

2*support: farm 30% of lane cs (1.9minion per wave)

This post was edited by Tommyvv on Feb 26 2020 08:20pm
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Feb 26 2020 08:27pm
Double frostfang botlane Teemodonk And Heimerdonk

Stack it up, ram farm, get lvl6or8
Then rotate with midlane, when get all turret-plates
Counter jgl, drake and objective
Make jgler come mid and push and get farm at mid,
when rotate top for more turret plates
then split up heimer and teemo and ram all lanes
Finaly group at mid fast 15min mark
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