d2jsp
Log InRegister
d2jsp Forums > Off-Topic > General Chat > Political & Religious Debate > Taking Their Guns
Prev1234519Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll
Member
Posts: 14,683
Joined: Jun 30 2009
Gold: 30,695.00
Oct 18 2019 12:19am
Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 17 2019 11:32pm)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrT_8lQTN6w

This is fucking chilling on many levels.


ironic trump being one of the most hate mongering bigots out there LOL!
it's like you can see him grinning through his teeth while he says this, inherently criticizing hate just the same as hating criticism wow

This post was edited by A30N0fCH405 on Oct 18 2019 12:19am
Member
Posts: 104,206
Joined: Apr 25 2006
Gold: 10,655.00
Oct 18 2019 12:20am
Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 18 2019 02:14am)
Will you offer to fellate the officer for his good, honest work after you hand over your guns?




Let's see...

1. So far in my 62.9 years of life, I've never found the NEED to own a gun.
2. If a police officer does something I think is illegal... I will still do what he says, and then see him in court.
3. Why would fellatio even occur to you in this topic? Is this a touchy subject for you? :)
Member
Posts: 14,683
Joined: Jun 30 2009
Gold: 30,695.00
Oct 18 2019 01:13am
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 18 2019 12:03am)
If a cop asks you for drivers license and ID you are required by law to present it.

A lot of younger folk seem to think that a traffic stop is a court of law. It isn't. A court of law is a court of law.






/e I see your video and I raise you this one...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P2plo4FOgIU


great video!
in the not so terminator-esque future we've already got license plate scanners on cop cars, next is the facial recognition. humanity created itself a two dimensional concrete jungle on the ground (so to speak) unfortunately no jetsons eutopian society.

"put a frog in a pot of water and slowly turn up the temperature, the pot begins to boil. the frog not realizing the effects will have already boiled to death before it has a chance to escape"



This post was edited by A30N0fCH405 on Oct 18 2019 01:31am
Member
Posts: 104,206
Joined: Apr 25 2006
Gold: 10,655.00
Oct 18 2019 01:51am
Quote (A30N0fCH405 @ Oct 18 2019 03:13am)
great video!
in the not so terminator-esque future we've already got license plate scanners on cop cars, next is the facial recognition. humanity created itself a two dimensional concrete jungle on the ground (so to speak) unfortunately no jetsons eutopian society.

"put a frog in a pot of water and slowly turn up the temperature, the pot begins to boil. the frog not realizing the effects will have already boiled to death before it has a chance to escape"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbaN7nyK7Ms





Good thing we're not frogs then. :)
Member
Posts: 51,393
Joined: May 26 2005
Gold: 4,400.67
Oct 18 2019 01:52am
Quote (NatureNames @ 18 Oct 2019 07:30)
These red flag laws have been challenged in courts before and courts ultimately said they are constitutional, often citing District of Columbia v. Heller. A notable part of the Heller case decision is quote:

"Like most rights, the Second Amendment right is not unlimited. It is not a right to keep and carry any weapon whatsoever in any manner whatsoever and for whatever purpose: For example, concealed weapons prohibitions have been upheld under the Amendment or state analogues. The Court’s opinion should not be taken to cast doubt on longstanding prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons and the mentally ill, or laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms. Miller’s holding that the sorts of weapons protected are those “in common use at the time” finds support in the historical tradition of prohibiting the carrying of dangerous and unusual weapons."

While this does not explicitly permit red flag laws I think it is vague enough to possibly make them permissable.


There is explicit constitutional protection of due process by the 5th and 14th amendment. The procedure described in the OP clearly violates this constitutional right of due process on multiple occasions.

Of course it can be constitutional to strip a member of the Stormfront or the Atomwaffen Division from his 2nd amendment rights if he is found guilty of severe crimes, or mentally unstable, or to be an imminent national security threat.
But those decisions have to come from a court, not from city hall or the local PD; and there has to be a way for the defendant to actually defend himself before being stripped of his 2nd amendment rights.


What would the left-leaning members of PaRD say if a very conservative local executive used these red flag laws to target anyone who ever expressed support for antifa or socialism? If this practice became established and accepted, there would be no guarantee that it would mostly target right-leaning individuals.

As Goom said, using ideology or political affiliations as the basis for deprivation of rights is the most slippery slope imaginable. Deprivation of rights should not happen without tangible reasons, punishing "thought crime" is a direct path into dystopia. And even then, even if thought crime was punishable and reason enough to take someone's guns away, it would still be unacceptable and unconstitutional for this to take place without due process.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Oct 18 2019 01:59am
Member
Posts: 61,403
Joined: Mar 14 2006
Gold: 10.77
Oct 18 2019 01:53am
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 17 2019 11:20pm)
Let's see...

1. So far in my 62.9 years of life, I've never found the NEED to own a gun.
2. If a police officer does something I think is illegal... I will still do what he says, and then see him in court.
3. Why would fellatio even occur to you in this topic? Is this a touchy subject for you? :)



1. Oh. You don't own guns. I do. I love my collection. I assumed you would at least own a home defense pea shooter.
2. So you're a masochist
3. I enjoy it
Member
Posts: 14,683
Joined: Jun 30 2009
Gold: 30,695.00
Oct 18 2019 02:03am
Quote (Ghot @ Oct 18 2019 01:51am)
Good thing we're not frogs then. :)


you'd be surprised
Member
Posts: 61,403
Joined: Mar 14 2006
Gold: 10.77
Oct 18 2019 02:06am
Quote (A30N0fCH405 @ Oct 18 2019 01:03am)
you'd be surprised


He wouldn't be surprised, he'd just deny. Poor little gunless frog who gets on his knees for the state.
Member
Posts: 104,206
Joined: Apr 25 2006
Gold: 10,655.00
Oct 18 2019 02:06am
Quote (A30N0fCH405 @ Oct 18 2019 04:03am)
you'd be surprised




I'd have to disagree with you there. At my age, not much surprises me anymore.



/e

Quote (inkanddagger @ Oct 18 2019 04:06am)
He wouldn't be surprised, he'd just deny. Poor little gunless frog who gets on his knees for the state.


That would be you... I'm for the Fed.




Quote (Black XistenZ @ Oct 18 2019 03:52am)
There is explicit constitutional protection of due process by the 5th and 14th amendment. The procedure described in the OP clearly violates this constitutional right of due process on multiple occasions.

Of course it can be constitutional to strip a member of the Stormfront or the Atomwaffen Division from his 2nd amendment rights if he is found guilty of severe crimes, or mentally unstable, or to be an imminent national security threat.
But those decisions have to come from a court, not from city hall or the local PD; and there has to be a way for the defendant to actually defend himself before being stripped of his 2nd amendment rights.


What would the left-leaning members of PaRD say if a very conservative local executive used these red flag laws to target anyone who ever expressed support for antifa or socialism? If this practice became established and accepted, there would be no guarantee that it would mostly target right-leaning individuals.

As Goom said, using ideology or political affiliations as the basis for deprivation of rights is the most slippery slope imaginable. Deprivation of rights should not happen without tangible reasons, punishing "thought crime" is a direct path into dystopia. And even then, even if thought crime was punishable and reason enough to take someone's guns away, it would still be unacceptable and unconstitutional for this to take place without due process.



Exactly.

This post was edited by Ghot on Oct 18 2019 02:08am
Member
Posts: 61,403
Joined: Mar 14 2006
Gold: 10.77
Oct 18 2019 02:09am
That would be me what? I am proudly heavily armed, I'm an anarchist, and I'm not amphibious.
Go Back To Political & Religious Debate Topic List
Prev1234519Next
Add Reply New Topic New Poll