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Oct 11 2019 10:44am
Quote (starcreaft453 @ Oct 11 2019 12:42pm)
that's what I mean. I have an honor zealer so this helm is worth looking at, at least lol


Yeah your call was just my opinion. I think maybe if it had 2 os would be ideal but heh what do I know!

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Oct 11 2019 11:11am
Quote (QueeF @ Oct 11 2019 12:37pm)
Never needed. A zealer if they were smart would stack skills for peace.


If you're using a base 0 weapon with 50 ias and ik combo, you need a lvl 9 fanat for last BP.


2 offensive circ, 2 offensive ammy. 2 sojs. 2 spirit. 1 hard point. That's 9.

I believe Farrell used to run this.

Granted zeal attacks fast enough as is and doesn't need to hit last BP imo.
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Oct 11 2019 12:16pm
Quote (Markhor @ Oct 11 2019 12:11pm)
If you're using a base 0 weapon with 50 ias and ik combo, you need a lvl 9 fanat for last BP.


2 offensive circ, 2 offensive ammy. 2 sojs. 2 spirit. 1 hard point. That's 9.

I believe Farrell used to run this.

Granted zeal attacks fast enough as is and doesn't need to hit last BP imo.


Not doing any math (maybe I'll do some later). I do not think you will get enough Ed from spirit to do more average damage than a 4x max damage jeweled shield. Same with using peasant crown over an artisans helm of wolf.

Using honor and peace is worthwhile if you are using a scepter with +fana and more so with +zeal. With a 3/3 scepter, you gain an additional 99% Ed and with peace/sojs you get 14.5% more chance to do double damage. Again I would have to figure out the math but it would take a substantial eth weapon to beat it.

The last bp is not worth losing all the damage to get. 4 frame zeal is neat but not worth it.
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Oct 11 2019 12:30pm
Quote (ATOMICMAN @ Oct 11 2019 02:16pm)
Not doing any math (maybe I'll do some later). I do not think you will get enough Ed from spirit to do more average damage than a 4x max damage jeweled shield. Same with using peasant crown over an artisans helm of wolf.

Using honor and peace is worthwhile if you are using a scepter with +fana and more so with +zeal. With a 3/3 scepter, you gain an additional 99% Ed and with peace/sojs you get 14.5% more chance to do double damage. Again I would have to figure out the math but it would take a substantial eth weapon to beat it.

The last bp is not worth losing all the damage to get. 4 frame zeal is neat but not worth it.


No arguements there. Again, imo the last BP isnt needed. Zeal is fast enough as is. Just pointing out why a 2 offensive circ would be used.

I personally like my defiance zealot, he uses a maxer shield until I can find a decent erep and a 3 zeal 3 defiance divine.

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Oct 11 2019 12:34pm
Quote (ATOMICMAN @ Oct 11 2019 01:16pm)
Not doing any math (maybe I'll do some later). I do not think you will get enough Ed from spirit to do more average damage than a 4x max damage jeweled shield. Same with using peasant crown over an artisans helm of wolf.

Using honor and peace is worthwhile if you are using a scepter with +fana and more so with +zeal. With a 3/3 scepter, you gain an additional 99% Ed and with peace/sojs you get 14.5% more chance to do double damage. Again I would have to figure out the math but it would take a substantial eth weapon to beat it.

The last bp is not worth losing all the damage to get. 4 frame zeal is neat but not worth it.


Messed up. 75% Ed with honor 3/3 scepter.
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Oct 11 2019 12:44pm
this is why the zealer i pilot (east's #1 melee ofc) has a 50 ias eth/rep crowbill setup for 4 frame if i need the edge in a zeal vs zeal. 50 ias wep, 30 ias IKs, lvl 3 fant. no swaps needed but the wep.

much like 10 frame conc the sacrifice is never worth it unless in a close mirror match.
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Oct 11 2019 01:29pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 11 2019 02:44pm)
this is why the zealer i pilot (east's #1 melee ofc) has a 50 ias eth/rep crowbill setup for 4 frame if i need the edge in a zeal vs zeal. 50 ias wep, 30 ias IKs, lvl 3 fant. no swaps needed but the wep.

much like 10 frame conc the sacrifice is never worth it unless in a close mirror match.


Iks has 30 ias? Lol. :hug:
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Oct 11 2019 01:45pm
Quote (Markhor @ Oct 11 2019 02:29pm)
Iks has 30 ias? Lol. :hug:


nope. lol.

luckily 50 ias crowbill + 25 ias at lvl 3 fant still hits the 4 frame :P
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Oct 11 2019 01:46pm
Quote (thesnipa @ Oct 11 2019 03:45pm)
nope. lol.

luckily 50 ias crowbill + 25 ias at lvl 3 fant still hits the 4 frame :P


Yea, I regret trading my erep runesword for this reason.
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Oct 11 2019 08:11pm
Ed/min is fine to use in this. It's already bugged, it won't get more bugged from an ed/min. But ed/min generally work fine because your weapon max is benefitting from ed% and your min probably benefits more from the +min anyway and doesn't need the ed%

Don't put any max in it or the ed% stops working entirely.

This post was edited by inkanddagger on Oct 11 2019 08:14pm
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