welcome to real life, friend.

You don't appreciate the ability of this AI if you actually think any schmuck that can code can make a bot this intelligent at a task such as this.

Blizzard couldn't make a bot this good with 100 years and an instruction manual.

We must learn from it,

Like chess.

Its funny. When computers got better than humans at chess we were relieved that comps above our elo play the same opening moves.

Impressive for humans sake that 4gate was the good choice.

For example in go, The top go champion in the world played the go bot. Go bot played moves humans all think are bad. Go bot won like 20 games to none wrecked dominated no chance for human. Go bot opening move in what humans know as theory and translated to starcraft meta would be the equivalent of taking all your workers and running to natural to mine at start of game, didn't make sense in human meta. But computer DOMINATED top Go champion, so Humans suck at GO.

Same thing as above happened with Shogi, aka Japanese chess.

It seems that humans aren't that bad at toss considering it used same strats humans do. AT THIS POINT I should add.

This post was edited by Phaggot on Feb 11 2019 11:49pm

I think you are missing the point of what AI is

The great thing here, is that the perfect micro/macro isn't hardcoded into Alphastar, but something it learned itself. can you point me to any other AI that has these capabilities and learned it based on basic agendas?

their advertisement may be misleading, I dont really know or care - but advertisements are usually misleading and fights are rarely fair, I dont think these really matter here

yes he is like that because it is not limited to the same input as humans are
in chess or any other game the input does not make a difference
in starcraft it does very much
at this point the AI does not have to deal with a whole layer of decision making that has a huge effect on the human players eg how to spend your attention span, your actions etc
without that it was pointless to move forward from playing chess with bots because it's doing the same thing it did in those games.
the dev team specifically chose starcraft because it was a different and challenging enviroment for the reasons above + that it was not a full information game like chess where you can see very movement on the map

This post was edited by Cpt_Ghost on Feb 12 2019 10:28am

You are complaining about the inherent fact of being a computer I don't understand your argument that is how life works.

I'm complaining about the fact that the absence of these limitations highly reduces the effectiveness of the research in my opinion
I might not be an AI research expert, but i know what makes this game hard and how it works and they are certainly not using it to it's full potential, even though they specifically chose it because of that said potential.
meh.

Im pretty sure the stalker micro and constant micro during surround and perfect blinking is the fullest potential we have ever seen.

Everything else is just silly to say, obviously. Let the computer play itself for 1000 years maybe it learns 1 zealot 6 probe rushes to be perfect meta......

And your other argument is "they dont limit/dumb down the AI enough, this is stupid" which is a ridiculous argument. The whole point of this is to learn and improve based upon computer algorithms finding new vertexes and computing new efficient strats. Dumbing down the AI idk.

And you can't say its impossible for humans to do that, now that we see it, we know what to practice, etc etc etc

This is all Chess/Shogi/Dota/Go all over again

that is the problem
i can see you do not understand a word i'm saying, so i'm not going to respond any further.

Again, in your mind, to make it fair, we would need to limit the AI in terms of calcualting time loss for mouse movements and micro seconds lost with reaction time and button pressing, not to mention the clicking on minimap/unit control.

That isn't the point, that also is stupid. It isn't about whether or not we can make an AI that has the same detriments as humans as some sort of existential crisis solution.

That is an inherent property of being an AI playing a computer game.

This post was edited by Phaggot on Feb 12 2019 11:44am

okay im going to respond

no it isn't stupid as it adds one of the most important part of decision making in the game

computer can make decision faster than human.