Quote (Condemn @ Sep 23 2018 12:49pm)
the 3 posters above me are shamefully misinformed, especially neptunus
I would caution others, especially those who are new here, to disregard whatever they post in the future
Mortality:-men who sauna 4-7 times a week 48% less likely to die of heart related causes, and less likely to die of all causes (
https://jamanetwork.com/journals/jamainternalmedicine/fullarticle/2130724 ), likely mediated by an increase in heatshock proteins, or some other form of hormetic response to the stress of high temperatures
Detoxification:-the skin is widely accepted to be an organ of detoxification via sweating, and people who sauna more often sweat more easily
-recommendation to increase exercise and sweating to enhance excretion of bioaccumulating possible disease causing toxicants (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22315626/ ), of which we are known to be exposed to
hundreds of before we even leave the womb (
https://www.ewg.org/research/body-burden-pollution-newborns#.W6djKM4za00 )
-various heavy metals are known to be excreted in sweat, including arsenic and mercury (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3312275/ ) (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21057782/ )
-law enforcement officers exposed to amphetamiines normalise faster with sauna therapy (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3573677/ )
Growth hormones:-142% increase in growth hormone seen with use of finnish style saunas (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/999213 )
-2 to 5 fold increase in grwth hormone, 4 fold increase in growth hormone releasing hormone (
https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.1016/S0002-9343(00)00671-9 page 122 )
-reduction of muscle wastage in immobile rats (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15761186 ,
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10642402 )
endorphins:-hyperthermia and therefore sauna use is known to cause an increase in beta endorphin levels (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8061252 ) (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3218898 ) (
https://sci-hub.tw/10.1055/s-2007-1013648 )
-this increase in beta endorphins seen in the days following sauna use is suspected to be the mechanism behind the reduction in depression seen in cancer patients undergoing "whole body hyperthermia therapy" (
https://sci-hub.tw/https://doi.org/10.3109/02656739209021785 )
-saunas have been used with effect to reduce pain seen in various disease states, including fibromyalgia (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21742283 ), and rheumatoid arthritis (
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4719492/ )
It's relaxing:-I can personally attest to this, which is more valuable than any dumb scientifical study
It's cool that you at least use real sources, but single studies aren't enough to prove your point in all of the cases. The growth hormone part is poorly backed, there's too little articles, one of them was from the year 1976. The other thing is that nowhere in the other article does it mention the effect of a temporary 2-5 fold GH increase. We don't see acromegalic people just because they spend a lot of time in the sauna. What's the clinical relevance of the increased GH levels?
The heavy metal thingy was interesting, although i question it's clinical relevance. It was also a review on articles whose quality wasn't reported. Most of the time you remove toxins by pissing them. The most important question was unanswered: did this increased excretion of heavy metals improve the patients clinically so that it gets the merit of a detoxifier? We're not talking of the symptoms of acute poisoning, but of a vague, chronic mixed heavy metal exposure. We don't even know what it does and even the definition isn't clear cut.
The replication rate of the results seems poor to me if that's all you have. A lot of the articles said something like "more research needs to be done" which means they are initial findings awaiting to be replicated. That's not the same as a scientific fact, a lot of papers that get published are forgotten afterwards because of failures to replicate their results. I don't have the time to search Pubmed for the replications either.
Quote (Condemn @ Sep 24 2018 02:08am)
1. that opinion piece needs citations
2.
https://www.hindawi.com/journals/bn/2015/620143/ clearly the liver and kidneys are not sufficient, so the unfounded notion that it's a good idea to just "let them do their work" should be disregarded from here out
moreover to ignore a convenient way evolution designed to mobilise and excrete fat soluble toxins just becuse some thot forgot to fill up on fluids is... dumb to say the least
Hindawi is a suspicious publisher. I took a look at the article and it had the classic "doctors dont treat the cause but the symptom" type of conspiracist fallacy. I did a little more research and foubd out that it's considered to be a somewhat predatory publisher.
This post was edited by Neptunus on Sep 23 2018 07:39pm