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Jul 24 2018 03:05pm
Quote (CMBurns @ Jul 24 2018 02:07pm)
I'm sorry it took so long for me to reply, I got a 2 day ban for telling JohnMiller what my job was...

Anyway, the reason I talked about map clearing is that for every uber elder run you do, you have to do a minimum of 8 T16 maps + whatever it takes to respawn him.

Making the swap between LW/Arc & VD/unearth superior.

In pure single target, your build might be better, but overall it doesn't farm uber elder faster.


uh no

you know you can run t1 map to respawn uber elder right????


whatever your elder shaped map is you can run the Twhatever version and it will spawn uber elder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AEyQWUdYi4

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uh no

you know you can run t1 map to respawn uber elder right????


whatever your elder shaped map is you can run the Twhatever version and it will spawn uber elder

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AEyQWUdYi4



You just linked me a video of a guy running 6 shit maps to then have to run 8 t16 (guardian maps) before getting to kill uber elder again.

Which is consistent with what I just said. A minimum of 8 t16 maps (4x shaper guardians, 4x elder guardians) + however many maps it takes for elder to spawn.

So again, if you have to run 8 guardian maps + some shit maps, LW/arc will clear faster overall.


This isn't really an argument. Traps will shit on a ton of builds for single target and I'm sure if this was about who kills uber elder the fastest, your build would win. But traps don't compete with the arc/lw clear speed and all the time you gain per elder kill I gain back + a ton more during the clear of those 8 guardian maps + shit maps to spawn elder.

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You just linked me a video of a guy running 6 shit maps to then have to run 8 t16 (guardian maps) before getting to kill uber elder again.

Which is consistent with what I just said. A minimum of 8 t16 maps (4x shaper guardians, 4x elder guardians) + however many maps it takes for elder to spawn.

So again, if you have to run 8 guardian maps + some shit maps, LW/arc will clear faster overall.


This isn't really an argument. Traps will shit on a ton of builds for single target and I'm sure if this was about who kills uber elder the fastest, your build would win. But traps don't compete with the arc/lw clear speed and all the time you gain per elder kill I gain back + a ton more during the clear of those 8 guardian maps + shit maps to spawn elder.


kudos for you even trying to explain things to that brick wall.
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kudos for you even trying to explain things to that brick wall.


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You just linked me a video of a guy running 6 shit maps to then have to run 8 t16 (guardian maps) before getting to kill uber elder again.

Which is consistent with what I just said. A minimum of 8 t16 maps (4x shaper guardians, 4x elder guardians) + however many maps it takes for elder to spawn.

So again, if you have to run 8 guardian maps + some shit maps, LW/arc will clear faster overall.


This isn't really an argument. Traps will shit on a ton of builds for single target and I'm sure if this was about who kills uber elder the fastest, your build would win. But traps don't compete with the arc/lw clear speed and all the time you gain per elder kill I gain back + a ton more during the clear of those 8 guardian maps + shit maps to spawn elder.



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Killed Shaper with Arc/Ball Lightning Inquistor, had nice clear. Used Power Siphon because the attack speed bonus from Inquisitor already took it up to near the 4 APS cap.

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Quote (CMBurns @ Jul 24 2018 03:35pm)
You just linked me a video of a guy running 6 shit maps to then have to run 8 t16 (guardian maps) before getting to kill uber elder again.

Which is consistent with what I just said. A minimum of 8 t16 maps (4x shaper guardians, 4x elder guardians) + however many maps it takes for elder to spawn.

So again, if you have to run 8 guardian maps + some shit maps, LW/arc will clear faster overall.


This isn't really an argument. Traps will shit on a ton of builds for single target and I'm sure if this was about who kills uber elder the fastest, your build would win. But traps don't compete with the arc/lw clear speed and all the time you gain per elder kill I gain back + a ton more during the clear of those 8 guardian maps + shit maps to spawn elder.


debatable

arc traps have some of the fastest clear speeds for t16

maybe if like 2k HP but on a realistic build you have 0 threat and never stop moving either
doubt you 1 shot rare mobs either like arc traps since 1 throw of traps kill any rare you're already losing time there then you dont instagib bosses to skip phases like chim/skip burrows on mino so losing even MORE time

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debatable

arc traps have some of the fastest clear speeds for t16

maybe if like 2k HP but on a realistic build you have 0 threat and never stop moving either

doubt you 1 shot rare mobs either like arc traps since 1 throw of traps kill any rare you're already losing time there then you dont instagib bosses to skip phases like chim/skip burrows on mino


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debatable

arc traps have some of the fastest clear speeds for t16

maybe if like 2k HP but on a realistic build you have 0 threat and never stop moving either
doubt you 1 shot rare mobs either like arc traps since 1 throw of traps kill any rare you're already losing time there then you dont instagib bosses to skip phases like chim/skip burrows on mino so losing even MORE time


VD 1 shots phases on chimera and he skips the smoke phase. Burrows from mino can be entirely avoided by just standing right in his face.

poet's LW/ARC doesn't have to stop on rares. Remember it casts arc 4.4 times per second. I only have to hold right click and go from start to finish of map.
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An example.

Takes about 1 minute 15 seconds on average to do a minotaur map. About 2 minutes for a chimera map.
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