Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 19 2018 01:57pm)

most of the stats on it are bullshit. generally they don't control for premeditation in sentencing the way they should. the truth is, like with black people, the stats when controlled properly seem to show a slight inherent bias in sentencing of women. but sentencing is also based on precedent, so thats difficult to control for whereas its easier in cases of race.

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* Women were less likely to be detained before trial. They were 46 percent less likely than men to held in jail prior to a trial.

* Women who were released on bond were given lower bond amounts. Their bonds were set at amounts that were 54 percent lower than what men were required to pay.

* Women were 58 percent less likely to be sentenced to prison.

* For defendants who were sentenced to prison, there generally was no gender disparity in the length of the sentence. There were disparities in sentencing for some individual types of crime, however. For example, female defendants convicted of theft received longer prison sentences than male defendants convicted of theft. Women convicted of “other property offenses” – a category of crimes that includes arson, receiving stolen property and breaking and entering — received shorter prison sentences.

* Black female defendants were, in some ways, treated differently than white female defendants. Black women were assigned higher bond amounts and were more likely to be sent to prison than white women. Women of both races were equally likely to be released prior to trial.

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There are other studies that have shown gender disparity in criminal cases, but not as pronounced as Prof. Starr's findings. This is because she is looking at "a larger swath of the criminal justice process" in her analysis, she said. The paper states, "Existing studies have typically focused on single stages of the criminal process in isolation"—in particular, the judge's final sentencing decision. These studies compare actual sentencing outcomes after controlling for the recommended sentence associated with the defendant's ultimate conviction. The problem with this, Starr explains, is that "the key control variable is itself the result of a host of discretionary decisions made earlier in the justice process"—including prosecutors' charging and plea-bargaining decisions. Starr's research incorporates disparities found at those earlier stages, and finds that "more disparity is introduced at each phase of the justice process."

Quote (Magicman657 @ Jan 19 2018 01:14pm)

If it was JUST the sentencing, then I might be willing to believe that, but this same gap exists at literally every step of the judicial process. If you're going to deny it, you better have some good evidence to support what you're saying.



https://journalistsresource.org/studies/government/criminal-justice/courts-lenient-sentencing-bond-women

Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 19 2018 02:18pm)

i wouldnt deny any of those being partially true, but im also sure they are missing out on some pertinent factors that need some controlling or at least mentioning in the conclusions. such as % differences of criminals who are a "flight risk" that have children based on gender. of which men have a higher percent. among many other factors.

but i agree with the general sentiments that women have it notably easier across the board. maybe you were hung up on the phrase "slight inherent bias"? i wouldnt disagree with any of those bullet points.

Quote (Magicman657 @ Jan 19 2018 01:21pm)

My point of contention is that it's more than a slight bias, and it applies at every step of the way, so by the end of the process it snowballs into ridiculous outcomes.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 19 2018 02:31pm)

and my contention is that logical factors need to be controlled for, making it closer to slight. although the semantics of justifying that specific word don't interest me. my point is that the gap between perceived justice and the results in those statistics is closer than you may think due to logical factors you may not be aware of, or that you perhaps assumed the researchers have already controlled for.

one thing to ponder, bonds are set with LOTS of external pressure from the bailbondsmen industry. given this, and the fact that bailbondsmenry is a trade subject to profit like any other, do you think bailbondsmen would quietly allow women the be bailed for less if they had the same flight risk, and therefore cut into their profit?

Quote (Magicman657 @ Jan 19 2018 01:41pm)

I would have a hard time imagining such obvious factors would go unaccounted for, but really I'd have to spend a lot more time than I have right this second to verify that. Maybe a project for tomorrow afternoon.

Quote (thesnipa @ Jan 19 2018 01:57pm)

most of the stats on it are bullshit. generally they don't control for premeditation in sentencing the way they should. the truth is, like with black people, the stats when controlled properly seem to show a slight inherent bias in sentencing of women. but sentencing is also based on precedent, so thats difficult to control for whereas its easier in cases of race.

Quote (WGUS @ Jan 18 2018 10:09pm)

Anyone that thinks 7 years isn't a slap on the wrist for taking another person's life away isn't right in the head. Especially when you consider with good behavior you generally don't even serve the entire sentence, but instead around half. So in this case that would end up being her likely serving 3.5 years for killing someone else. That most definitely is a slap on the wrist. People get put away longer for lesser crimes.

Quote (Skinned @ Jan 19 2018 04:35pm)

You're saying it is oversimplified and due to other social determinants. Be careful. I said something similar and now I'm a morally bankrupt piece of shit, lol.