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Oct 20 2017 05:19pm
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Wisconsin’s $3 billion bid this summer to land Foxconn Technology Group’s first major U.S. factory looked smaller than that of a neighboring state’s, but included an increasingly popular feature that likely made the difference: cash.
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Ten years ago, few states’ primary economic development tools were refundable, a feature that allows businesses to receive cash payments for unused tax credits and incentives, said Jay Biggins, executive managing director at consulting firm Biggins Lacy Shapiro & Co. Today at least 19 states, including Wisconsin, have such programs, according to research by Mr. Biggins’s firm. Michigan doesn’t.
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Wisconsin’s 15-year deal, which could cost taxpayers roughly $15,000 for each Foxconn employee each year, drew criticism from Democratic lawmakers as well as the conservative group Americans for Prosperity, all of whom said that the cost was too high. And a state analysis found taxpayers wouldn’t recoup their investment through increased tax revenues until the fiscal year ending 2043.
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Competition is fierce among cities across the country for Amazon’s second headquarters, estimated to bring up to 50,000 new jobs. As New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie unveiled an offer Tuesday that included $5 billion in state tax incentives for the company to come to Newark, N.J., the Republican dared other states to top it.


https://www.wsj.com/articles/wisconsins-foxconn-deal-highlights-how-states-use-cash-to-sweeten-bids-1508521816


Well fuck. State governments are now paying companies, in cash, to do business in their state.

This is just as bad, if not worse, than cities and states giving billions to build NFL stadiums because I think the stadiums are funded primarily through municipal bonds NOT cash.

Is this something we can all dislike together? Breaking those partisan lines?
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Oct 20 2017 05:31pm
I hope it is, our sucking of corporate dick is getting ridiculous.
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Oct 20 2017 05:36pm
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I hope it is, our sucking of corporate dick is getting ridiculous.



We ahould get rid of NPR too
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Oct 20 2017 05:42pm
If only we had a political climate where government choosing winners and losers wasn't possible.
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Oct 20 2017 09:23pm
I read that the state will actually lose jobs overall in this deal cause how much they're paying lol... could have used that money to hire state employees for Wisconsin's surely bare departments.
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Oct 20 2017 09:29pm
think of it as taxes so low they're negative :o

the locals ought to be glad that they pay a company to create jobs
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Oct 20 2017 11:21pm
The australian government gave foxtel an 800 million dollar tax break and just handed them 30 million dollars for free.
Something is very wrong in the world.

Any company with fox in its name can not be trusted.

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Oct 21 2017 12:54pm
it is more than just the raw jobs, but rather an investment in the company itself. Essentially begging the question should states be allowed to invest in the private sector?
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it is more than just the raw jobs, but rather an investment in the company itself. Essentially begging the question should states be allowed to invest in the private sector?


I don't think they should at all - and they definitely shouldn't invest without getting any equity or interest payments.

States should compete for business based on their merits (business/tax environment) not by giving handouts to particular companies and essentially picking winners.

But I guess that's just not how the "free market" works anymore.

/e

In the end it is pretty easy to see that it's all politicians spending exorbitant amounts of the taxpayer's money so they can say that they "create jobs."

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I don't think they should at all - and they definitely shouldn't invest without getting any equity or interest payments.

States should compete for business based on their merits (business/tax environment) not by giving handouts to particular companies and essentially picking winners.

But I guess that's just not how the "free market" works anymore.

/e

In the end it is pretty easy to see that it's all politicians spending exorbitant amounts of the taxpayer's money so they can say that they "create jobs."


Hard to disagree. As someone who will be moving back to WI within the next several years I will be particularly interested to see the outcomes on this "investment". 3 billion dollars is a nice chunk
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