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Aug 17 2017 03:54pm
Quote (Skinned @ Aug 17 2017 02:13pm)
This is pretty much true.

Antifa is basically the Alt-Left. The Alt-Left and the Alt-Right are two histrionic peas in a pod. Both sky is falling ideologies. Both centered on self-victimization.

BLM not inclined to violence. They have events all the time and they're pretty cool. Most people have this opinion out of ignorance of this though, and can't really be blamed.



Here you go fantasizing about murdering your neighbors who don't look, pray, or fuck like you. The impulse is something you should address.


Thieves have no right to life. They should be drawn, quartered, and have their entrails incinerated.
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Aug 17 2017 03:55pm
Quote (AiNedeSpelCzech @ Aug 17 2017 05:18pm)
I'm a Democrat and I'm disgusted that I have to be so often aligned with the kind of liberals who don't think it's funny to punch white nationalists. :(


I think it's funny as fuck; it's just not legal and you shouldn't do it.
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Aug 17 2017 04:01pm
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I'm a Democrat and I'm disgusted that I have to be so often aligned with the kind of liberals who don't think it's funny to punch white nationalists. :(

your experience with trying to punch people you disagree with didnt go over so well

maybe ease up on that sort of rhetoric hoss

for sure you'd accuse that guy of being a white neo-national socialist too :rofl:
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Aug 17 2017 04:03pm
Quote (excellence @ Aug 17 2017 05:01pm)
your experience with trying to punch people you disagree with didnt go over so well

maybe ease up on that sort of rhetoric hoss

for sure you'd accuse that guy of being a white neo-national socialist too :rofl:



I guess some people just make bad decisions sometimes doesn't mean he's a bad father now...i kind of feel bad for him after what happened
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Aug 17 2017 04:05pm
Quote (IceMage @ 17 Aug 2017 13:47)
FDR -
I am very happy to take part in this unveiling of the statue of General Robert E. Lee.

All over the United States we recognize him as a great leader of men, as a great general. But, also, all over the United States I believe that we recognize him as something much more important than that. We recognize Robert E. Lee as one of our greatest American Christians and one of our greatest American gentlemen.

JFK -
I come here to North Carolina to set before you the goals for America and to ask you to join with me in rebuilding our strength in leading America across its new frontier. For, as a New Englander, I recognize that the South is still the land of Washington, who made our Nation - of Jefferson, who shaped its direction - and of Robert E. Lee who, after gallant failure, urged those who had followed him in bravery to reunite America in purpose and courage

Eisenhower -
Respecting your August 1 inquiry calling attention to my often expressed admiration for General Robert E. Lee, I would say, first, that we need to understand that at the time of the War between the States the issue of secession had remained unresolved for more than 70 years. Men of probity, character, public standing and unquestioned loyalty, both North and South, had disagreed over this issue as a matter of principle from the day our Constitution was adopted.

General Robert E. Lee was, in my estimation, one of the supremely gifted men produced by our Nation. He believed unswervingly in the Constitutional validity of his cause which until 1865 was still an arguable question in America; he was a poised and inspiring leader, true to the high trust reposed in him by millions of his fellow citizens; he was thoughtful yet demanding of his officers and men, forbearing with captured enemies but ingenious, unrelenting and personally courageous in battle, and never disheartened by a reverse or obstacle. Through all his many trials, he remained selfless almost to a fault and unfailing in his faith in God. Taken altogether, he was noble as a leader and as a man, and unsullied as I read the pages of our history.

From deep conviction, I simply say this: a nation of men of Lee’s calibre would be unconquerable in spirit and soul. Indeed, to the degree that present-day American youth will strive to emulate his rare qualities, including his devotion to this land as revealed in his painstaking efforts to help heal the Nation’s wounds once the bitter struggle was over, we, in our own time of danger in a divided world, will be strengthened and our love of freedom sustained.

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I guess these men didn't think of Robert E Lee as simply a symbol of racism and slavery. They'd be called Nazi apologists today.


Statues are simply symbols. History had provided the respect for Lee to make a symbol in his honor. The history doesn't change, yet the symbol the statue stands for, how ppl look at it, can change. It's clear that the statue wasn't that upsetting to ppl 20 years ago and now it is. You can discuss if the absence of the statue can benefit future generations. That might be possible in this case (I don't fully understand what it represents then and now), and that's not possible for statues of presidents at this time. (To address Trump)
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Aug 17 2017 04:14pm
Quote (Thor123422 @ Aug 17 2017 05:29am)
Sigh, probably because we don't remember king for his efforts to take away gay rights the same way we remember Lee specifically for his efforts to prolong slavery.


Lee fought for his home specifically. He embraced what he felt to be patriotism. The general historic perspective on Lee is that he was more or less indifferent about slavery and is famously quoted as saying he "could make soldiers out of any human being that had arms and legs" in reference to the question of conscripting blacks.
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Aug 17 2017 04:45pm
Can someone go tell the Romans to tare down the rest of the Colosseum.

Im finding it very offensive.
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Aug 17 2017 06:17pm
Quote (BardOfXiix @ Aug 17 2017 04:14pm)
Lee fought for his home specifically. He embraced what he felt to be patriotism. The general historic perspective on Lee is that he was more or less indifferent about slavery and is famously quoted as saying he "could make soldiers out of any human being that had arms and legs" in reference to the question of conscripting blacks.


If we were remembering him for his military prowess he would be in a military cemetary. Instead they put up the majority of these statues during Jim Crow in locations specifically to remind blacks of the auctions and slavery.

So... color me unconvinced.
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Aug 17 2017 07:16pm
Quote (Santara @ Aug 17 2017 08:07pm)


Anything less than punching Nazis counts as low key support.
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