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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 24 2017 08:18am)
His position does not change anything to the point, and from here: america has nothing to offer, excepted probably their devastating foreign policy, that is on its end... Look like they are trying it again in Asia, im hoping the best for them :)




"terrorist attacks all the time" seriously... :rofl: that was pretty poor.


To name a few.

http://theworldbulletin.com/2017/04/21/france-a-timeline-of-terror-attacks/

http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/france-timeline-terrorist-attacks-1482413

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2015/11/13/paris-attacks-timeline/75734002/


These types of attacks are much higher in France than they are in Germany for example, where there are about 1.5m Muslims for 80 million people. I know correlation vs causation. I'm just giving an example. France has a much greater issue with immigration, illegal immigration, and these "terrorist" attacks than other western European nations.

As many know, my best friend in the world is Hassan, a jsp user here. He's a Muslim from Lebanon. I do not think all Muslims are radicalized, but what I do know is that in other countries, including "first world" countries or more developed countries like Lebanon, they debate Hezbollah/Hamas just as Americans debate issues like gay marriage, death penalty, abortion, etc. where it's a reason why some politicians do/don't get voted in. Radical Islam is absolutely a problem worldwide and it isn't a tiny percentage. I don't like when politicians pretend radical Islam is a small issue when a very large percentage, nearly a majority percentage of all Muslims support groups like Hamas, support suicide bombings, etc. Look at the free and independent polling by groups like Gallup, Pew, or even liberal leaning think tanks like Brookings. It's just fact. It's not that being a Muslim is a bad thing, it's twisting the religion to extremism where it becomes a problem, which has happened with millions of people in this world and that isn't even opinion, it's proven fact, over and over in the course of voting and polling.

Poll from Pew taken in different countries about their views of suicide bombing. Some are low percentages, but when you think of the population of these countries, even a 5% minority is a ton of people. That's dangerous.



This post was edited by AspenSniper on Apr 24 2017 08:19am
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My point was that it's hard to blame a French person for voting for a far right conservative.

America I actually think has a lot of promise. If I wanted to go get a loan and start a business and make money doing it and move to another country or stay in the USA and retire and play with my cash all day telling the world to fuck themselves, I can do that here. That's not how it is in most of the world. Plenty of fucked up people in this country and everywhere else. Plenty of corrupt government, just like most places elsewhere too. I'm aware that living in New Zealand or some other country is probably a better place to live than America. I still feel pretty fortunate to live here though.


Amen. Having partially grown up in Eastern Europe there isn't a country in the world that i would rather live (aside from maybe Canada) than the US.

It has to be frustrating being a french citizen, you're literally witnessing attack after attack by Muslims and all politicians do is just pretend that everything is fine. At what point do they start looking for solutions instead of just thinking there is no issue with Islamic terrorism and just continue to import people that despise western libertine values.
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Apr 24 2017 08:13am
Resident Frenchie bigot turns the thread topic about the French election to talking about America. What a small-time mentality silly little fella :D
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Quote (AspenSniper @ 24 Apr 2017 15:08)
To name a few.


The most funny part when you are saying France has "much greater issue with immigration"
Immigrants dont even want to stay in France... And we have a low immigration rate..

https://www.challenges.fr/assets/img/2014/12/02/cover-r4x3w1000-5790ce0127566-021214-challenges-immigration-ocde.jpg

Please if you dont know, do not open it.

Btw this is not the first time you are delivering a completely wrong statement, im reminding some of your topics months ago, was catastrophic. Stick in your specialization.
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 24 2017 09:26am)
The most funny part when you are saying France has "much greater issue with immigration"
Immigrants dont even want to stay in France... And we have a low immigration rate..

https://www.challenges.fr/assets/img/2014/12/02/cover-r4x3w1000-5790ce0127566-021214-challenges-immigration-ocde.jpg

Please if you dont know, do not open it.

Btw this is not the first time you are delivering a completely wrong statement, im reminding some of your topics months ago, was catastrophic. Stick in your specialization.


Right, immigrants take all that risk to migrate to a place they don't want to be.

163,000 new non-EEA immigrants arrived on French shores in 2012 to stay thanks to a seven percent increase in admissions for family reunification. Most of these third-country nationals granted permanent residence were North African: Moroccan (20,200 people), Algerian (25,000) and Tunisian (12,000). According to INSEE, France’s immigrant population is rising at an average of 1.6 percent per year. In 2012 41,000 adults applied for asylum alongside 14,000 minors. A total of 14,000 (including minors) of these were granted residency. The biggest asylum seeker groups hailed from the Democratic Republic of Congo, Russia, Sri Lanka, Serbia and Montenegro, and China. Obviously, since 2012 you can add Syria and other countries.

This post was edited by AspenSniper on Apr 24 2017 08:42am
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Right, immigrants take all that risk to migrate to a place they don't want to be.

163,000 new non-EEA immigrants arrived on French shores in 2012 to stay thanks to a seven percent increase in admissions for family reunification. Most of these third-country nationals granted permanent residence were North African: Moroccan (20,200 people), Algerian (25,000) and Tunisian (12,000). According to INSEE, France’s immigrant population is rising at an average of 1.6 percent per year. In 2012 41,000 adults applied for asylum alongside 14,000 minors. A total of 14,000 (including minors) of these were granted residency. The biggest asylum seeker groups hailed from the Democratic Republic of Congo, Russia, Sri Lanka, Serbia and Montenegro, and China. Obviously, since 2012 you can add Syria and other countries.


you can try hard as much as you want;

If we got so much "terrorist attacks all the time" this is maintly for 2 reasons:

- Medias are covering ALOT attacks in France.
- France is probably best western choice for Isis due the international status of the country.

As a reminder France is the third "diplomatic country" with 163 ambassies (usa 168 & china 164...)


Im inviting your to google translate this webpage


http://www.gouvernement.fr/10-chiffres-qui-vont-vous-surprendre-sur-l-immigration-en-france


"The pre-conceived ideas about the number of immigrants in France, their origin or even their level of qualification are numerous."

Destroying your wall of non-sense. This discussion is over thanks you in advance.
edit: sorry for english

This post was edited by Saucisson6000 on Apr 24 2017 08:57am
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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ Apr 24 2017 02:54pm)
just cry because cant handle the fact lepen is probably fucked for ever.



America is a nice graveyard of a million people killed with firearms, totally fucked by trump and oligarchy, top listed in countries to nuke by north korea, horrible gini index, full of fate, idiocracy, american dream failure etc...

Cmon you are the worst example ever; why you dare to open it ?


There is not any chance that Le Pen will win?
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Quote (ampoo @ 24 Apr 2017 15:15)
as if anyone really thought le pen had a decent chance, wtf are you even talking about


Even if nobody realistically expected her to become president, She was expected to win the first round and collect somewhere around 25% of the votes. It's a pretty bad result for her.

Quote (Tjo @ 24 Apr 2017 16:54)
There is not any chance that Le Pen will win?


Not really. Considering she's behind Macron already, she not only needs for there to be a very low turnout, but also to be able to attract more votes than Macron... which is pretty much impossible considering that Hamon and Fillon are backing him and asking their voters to vote for him. She'd only have a chance if Mélenchon asked his voters to vote for her, but that doesn't seem likely, and even with his support a very low turnout would be needed.

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Quote (Saucisson6000 @ 24 Apr 2017 16:26)
The most funny part when you are saying France has "much greater issue with immigration"
Immigrants dont even want to stay in France... And we have a low immigration rate..

https://www.challenges.fr/assets/img/2014/12/02/cover-r4x3w1000-5790ce0127566-021214-challenges-immigration-ocde.jpg

Please if you dont know, do not open it.

Btw this is not the first time you are delivering a completely wrong statement, im reminding some of your topics months ago, was catastrophic. Stick in your specialization.


thats funny, when cities like paris have become open air refugee camps

Quote (zarkadon @ 24 Apr 2017 17:04)
Even if nobody realistically expected her to become president, She was expected to win the first round and collect somewhere around 25% of the votes. It's a pretty bad result for her.

Not really. Considering she's behind Macron already, she not only needs for there to be a very low turnout, but also to be able to attracto more votes than Macron... which is pretty much impossible considering that Hamon and Fillon are backing him and asking their voters to vote for him. She'd only have a chance if Mélenchon asked his voters to vote for her, but that doesn't seem likely, and even with his support a very low turnout would be needed.


indeed, looking at the numbers and the outcome isnt really good

but you should also take a look at the maps that are around in the media, where each candidate won the most votes
it becomes clear once again that tolerance and distance to the problem are connected

This post was edited by ampoo on Apr 24 2017 09:06am
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Quote (ampoo @ 24 Apr 2017 16:04)
thats funny, when cities like paris have become open air refugee camps


youtube & bad TV sucked your brain out, what's left ?

Quote (zarkadon @ 24 Apr 2017 16:04)
It's a pretty bad result for her.


Absolutely, and now she's facing her worst problem:

- he's super young, so many people hoping a "change" will vote for him
- he's more likely at "center" so all main parties will openly ask to vote for him

- She tried to change the style of FN into something "moderately far right": so now her party is still too old, but also boring...
- She's stuck with a scandal regarding her european collaborators, she may be called for a judge audition in between those 2 turns.


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