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Aug 22 2018 04:05am
Quote (Joshie @ Aug 22 2018 10:52pm)
I do explore, not to find level 5 EP's and hope for a perfect stated item. You're clearly far superior at this game than I am, you don't even know how Jubilance works


That is the point, I don't use Jub, I have no need of it, I want to explore catacombs for the best results, not sit in town or skill for the experience, on top of that, I gain profs for weapons, heal or casting because I don't sit in town for free XP.

Yes... I am superior to those that just sit in town doing nothing, so are you, so are the testers on beta, so are those that solo, so are those that skill... what is your point? You are NOT superior because you just sit in town and gain XP and kill the 1 monster to level up then sit in town (repeat and so on)? No, you are superior because you play the game, just like me, oh, you may not believe me, but, from testing an item just yesterday and today... I can say you are wrong... all you need to do it go check out how long it took me to gain 5 levels from 55 to 60 (approx 1 hour), then 60-65 (approx 1 hour & 10 mins, and then like 65-70 approx 1 hour 30 mins)... don't believe me... go and check out my tests in Builds section... You will see my posts.
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Aug 22 2018 06:33am
Quote (izParagonzi @ 22 Aug 2018 02:26)
Incorrect... it is good because it IS a T1 with decent mods.

Remove the EPs / TCs and the +4 Level Cap, then it is just junk... at least he can explore this item @ level 10 and possibly get a great TierIV drop?


Nah that map is junk regardless. Exploring low level is a complete waste of time and if you are doing it under the pretext of finding a nice lvl 5 item you should consider the fact lvl 5 items drop from lvl 8 on. Nobody is going to waste extra time in a t1 map looking for a gfg lvl 5 item when they can whistle 5-10 levels in the time it takes to complete a low lvl map. Whistle to lvl 35 or higher then start exploring when you can actually find a decent item at a level whose market isnt saturated. Especially when as you have pointed out plenty of times... you dont need gfg gear when you 1-2hit monsters.

In short exploring ANY tier 1/2 maps is a complete waste of time. Especially when the only real reason before the rewrite was to explore the map without TDs.


Junk Junk Junk
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Aug 22 2018 05:05am)
That is the point, I don't use Jub, I have no need of it, I want to explore catacombs for the best results, not sit in town or skill for the experience, on top of that, I gain profs for weapons, heal or casting because I don't sit in town for free XP.

Yes... I am superior to those that just sit in town doing nothing, so are you, so are the testers on beta, so are those that solo, so are those that skill... what is your point? You are NOT superior because you just sit in town and gain XP and kill the 1 monster to level up then sit in town (repeat and so on)? No, you are superior because you play the game, just like me, oh, you may not believe me, but, from testing an item just yesterday and today... I can say you are wrong... all you need to do it go check out how long it took me to gain 5 levels from 55 to 60 (approx 1 hour), then 60-65 (approx 1 hour & 10 mins, and then like 65-70 approx 1 hour 30 mins)... don't believe me... go and check out my tests in Builds section... You will see my posts.


What in the fuck is this trollery
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Quote (izParagonzi @ Aug 22 2018 05:48am)
Why?... you can initiate this map at level 15, Get the best out of it because cap is level 19 instead of 15, thus more chances to drop level 5 items of better quality since you have more EPs / TC spawns in such a small square.

You MAY (big MAY) find an item with 7X% ee / 15+ stat or more while exploring... so you think it is a waste of time? Hmmm, then it is a was of time finding a dime a day? that would be like what... $1.75 per week? or how about $5X per year? Basically, you don't favor the bold of exploring, you just whistle like a junkie and hope to get the next fix.



I’m sorry I had to...
A dime a day would be $0.7 / week or $36.5 / year. (I do pick up dimes, and nickels)

I agree with you though, for a T1 map, I think it’s pretty good!
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Quote (hasteful @ 22 Aug 2018 07:12)
I’m sorry I had to...
A dime a day would be $0.7 / week or $36.5 / year. (I do pick up dimes, and nickels)

I agree with you though, for a T1 map, I think it’s pretty good!


hahaha math!!

Seriously though... when would you rather take the time to complete a t1 map over getting to a decent level and exploring for real rewards? Even if you only get to the 20s first its more rewarding than a t1 map ever will be.

The only t1 maps worth keeping = high %gp and +1 well

the rest are trash.
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Quote (Cheeya @ Aug 23 2018 02:18am)
hahaha math!!

Seriously though... when would you rather take the time to complete a t1 map over getting to a decent level and exploring for real rewards? Even if you only get to the 20s first its more rewarding than a t1 map ever will be.

The only t1 maps worth keeping = high %gp and +1 well

the rest are trash.


So... You are saying that a T1 Map with 1-50% xp gain is trash with the new update? ... Sorry to say this, you are a fool just to think of %gp (Fuck, you get this already) and a Well, who wants to well at level 1 or 5... what would happen if you made a guild ONLY cata, use a map with +1 Well and find this well?... guess what... you are just fvcked... Oh.... so, you would NOT do this... but why?... even if it is not a guild ONLY cata, and you create lvl90 game when you find this well... you can NOT guarantee that it would NOT disintegrate after 1 item... or maybe you have done 1xx wellables and it is still in game... but, again you can NOT guarantee that the next item put into the well would not disintegrate the well!!!

It is random... random as fvckery.
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Quote (izParagonzi @ 22 Aug 2018 08:33)
So... You are saying that a T1 Map with 1-50% xp gain is trash with the new update? ... Sorry to say this, you are a fool just to think of %gp (Fuck, you get this already) and a Well, who wants to well at level 1 or 5... what would happen if you made a guild ONLY cata, use a map with +1 Well and find this well?... guess what... you are just fvcked... Oh.... so, you would NOT do this... but why?... even if it is not a guild ONLY cata, and you create lvl90 game when you find this well... you can NOT guarantee that it would NOT disintegrate after 1 item... or maybe you have done 1xx wellables and it is still in game... but, again you can NOT guarantee that the next item put into the well would not disintegrate the well!!!

It is random... random as fvckery.


hmmm idk ... reach a high level pop a low map with a well that is going to be a small maze with a guaranteed well. Im not sure whats not to get.

And yeah a t1 map is 5x5 the time to explore/remake/explore/remake takes more time than just whistling. I literally went 1-26 solo in 42 minutes. There is NO reason to waste time exploring a t1 map if there isnt a chance at gp or a guaranteed well.
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Aug 22 2018 08:45am
Quote (Cheeya @ Aug 23 2018 03:36am)
hmmm idk ... reach a high level pop a low map with a well that is going to be a small maze with a guaranteed well. Im not sure whats not to get.

And yeah a t1 map is 5x5 the time to explore/remake/explore/remake takes more time than just whistling. I literally went 1-26 solo in 42 minutes. There is NO reason to waste time exploring a t1 map if there isnt a chance at gp or a guaranteed well.


Play beta with 0 gear, find a map and complete it to get better gear... oh w8... you have level 1 - 15 gear (just like me), but, I choose to upgrade, is your low level gear so godly that you don't need upgrades? (mine are, but, I like to get more)
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Aug 22 2018 08:52am
Quote (izParagonzi @ 22 Aug 2018 08:45)
Play beta with 0 gear, find a map and complete it to get better gear... oh w8... you have level 1 - 15 gear (just like me), but, I choose to upgrade, is your low level gear so godly that you don't need upgrades? (mine are, but, I like to get more)


No why play beta with nothing on a feeder when I can play the live version with gg gear and a warlock....

my low lvl gear is so godly that id be more likely to win in a casino that upgrade ANYTHING in a t1 map. Especially when t3 gear literally drops from lvl 8 to lvl 81 when I mq no reason to waste time in the low levels with literally 73 levels of t3 drops either way. Even if you WERE to find a really really really sick lvl 0 item... its not going to be worth more than like 200-300fg MAX.

No thanks Ill farm for items with value while you play in t1 maps looking at 95% t1-2 items.

This post was edited by Cheeya on Aug 22 2018 08:52am
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Level 38 Well:

Rare ice VI
Level Req: 15
Spell Damage: 31 to 37
Mana Cost: 45

+29 Dexterity
+1% Damage Return
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