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Quote (mztr @ Dec 8 2013 01:35am)
Nice guide, sticky dis!


Quote (blumarine @ Dec 8 2013 01:48am)
Awsome guide!  :hail:

sticky now!


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Good Efford!


Quote (Scum87 @ Dec 8 2013 02:04am)
Very solid and well explain even more then darken one, really good job guys !


Quote (nicococo06 @ Dec 8 2013 02:04am)
very complete guid  ofc


Quote (AwiT @ Dec 8 2013 02:34am)
Why isnt this sticked allready???


Thanks a lot.

A lot of work as been put in to this guide, glad to see it's appreciated!
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Quote (CraZeeY @ Dec 8 2013 01:38am)
Thanks a lot.

A lot of work as been put in to this guide, glad to see it's appreciated!


Can t say more. Thanks for ur comments.

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Last words should be with tldr version ^^^
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Dec 7 2013 07:56pm
Good job guys : about time and please may this be the end of newbies asking the same basic questions...STICKY PLEASE!

I would argue a few points as you know but it's a matter of taste and versatility - which I prefer:

I would recommend eod (enigma of duress : hybrid enigma - if available on your realm) over enigma cuz of the sweet mods: 20fhr 15@ 45cr and since you're a telezon afterall, str bug isn't really all that important but gaining resistance and the min 20 fhr bp at all times is - which also makes it easier to get 52-86 fhr when needed. Furthermore I prefer to stat mb with +2 ama 20 fcr 50-60 life 20@ res amu and 10fcr 30-60 life 50+ mana dual/tri/@ res (dex/str) ring (don´t stat after the dex if it has any) with storm 15ias/15@ so I have the versatility to switch out a ring for bk/dwarf/wisp/1more raven/nature's peace/stack lr/cr fcr ring depending on the opponent. The stacked res + mb is quite usefull vs. in particular hybrid/ghost assa and V/T - maybe more so than a little extra life.
I would also mention that penetrate isn't of total unimportance since it adds a hidden ar to your fury/bolt which comes in quite handy vs block opponents and seeing as most javas don't get lvl 99 like mine: 97^^ I would prefer to have it + more damage over valk and settle for oak "shield" and crit is just a bonus.

This post was edited by ViperClaw on Dec 7 2013 07:57pm
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Good job guys : about time and please may this be the end of newbies asking the same basic questions...STICKY PLEASE!

I would argue a few points as you know but it's a matter of taste and versatility - which I prefer:

I would recommend eod (enigma of duress : hybrid enigma - if available on your realm) over enigma cuz of the sweet mods: 20fhr 15@ 45cr and since you're a telezon afterall so str bug isn't really all that important but gaining resistance and the min 20 fhr bp at all times is - which also makes it easier to get 52-86 fhr when needed. Furthermore I prefer to stat mb with +2 ama 20 fcr 50-60 life 20@ res amu and 10fcr 30-60 life 50+ mana dual/tri/@ res (dex/str) ring (don´t stat after the dex if it has any) with storm 15ias/15@ so I have the versatility to switch out a ring for bk/dwarf/wisp/1more raven/nature's peace/stack lr/cr fcr ring depending on the opponent. The stacked res + mb is quite usefull vs in particular hybrid/ghost assa and V/T - maybe moreso than a little extra life.
I would also mention that penetrate isn't of total unimportance since it adds a hidden ar to your fury/bolt which comes in quite handy vs block opponents and seeing as most javas don't get lvl 99 like mine: 97^^ I would prefer to have it + more damage over valk and settle for oak "shield" and crit is just a bonus.


Thanks for the constructive criticism!

As we do not feel the need for more resistances and FHR in these builds we do not recommend EoD because you lose the 5% life bonus from Jah. Str bugged FRW might might save your life vs certain opponents like Wind Druids, Bone Necros and more. If you WSG this makes a huge difference, especially if you bug the frw.
That is personal preference, I can not argue about that. But the truth is that you end up with more hp but you also need more switches, this might bother some players, hence the personal preference. We decided to list all possible setups, yours is one of them. I have never encountered a match up where I have lacked res vs any
Penetrate will only help with the physical part of your attacks and Valkyrie will save your life a lot more often than penetrate will, however, it is a valid point. As stated before, we end up with up to 13k dmg with valk ^^
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Dec 7 2013 08:09pm
Superb guide by both of you!

Small note: The "How to str bug your zon" header is above the shields chart and the explanation of str bugging is below the CS damage calculations. (out of place)

This post was edited by druidking88 on Dec 7 2013 08:10pm
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Quote (druidking88 @ Dec 8 2013 03:09am)
Superb guide by both of you!

Small note: The "How to str bug your zon" header is above the shields chart and the explanation of str bugging is below the CS damage calculations. (out of place)


We meant for the body text to have an indentation instead of the heading. Is that what you were talking about?

Thanks a lot!
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Quote (CraZeeY @ Dec 7 2013 10:12pm)
We meant for the body text to have an indentation instead of the heading. Is that what you were talking about?

Thanks a lot!


Actually, it could have been jsp's fault. I refreshed and it was fixed. My apologies ^_^
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Dec 8 2013 02:55am
Nice work x)

anything to add ? i guess not

stick it imo, best java guide arround

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