Right... posted in the threads I felt relevant for LS and newbies or those that joined and have an understanding etc... but I am tired and need some sleep while working on other games and watching anime...

hf and gl all.

Well, logged in, looked around, posted a comment or more... hmm, well off again, might get more inspiration later on...

Have a good night Rex

Thanks, I did play some, now just trying to motivate myself to the "Guardian" guide... might have to just add in everything I want to say, then cut/paste after rewording it (more like try to condense it more).



~@~ Guardian ~@~

WARNING: It is advisable that a Beginner should not play this class due to the high "Restriction" in gear.

"TIP(s)" If you want to begin with this "Class". 'With' or 'Without' FG, read further.

'With':
Create your Guardian, go to town and purchase the BEST Tier III Club / Armor / Main Charm (depending on build) that you can afford.

'Without':
#1 Once you create your Guardian, also create a Barbarian Mule.
#2 Re-roll your Barbarian click on him again and Select Barbarian
#3 With Barbarian, go to town, click Marketplace, Transfer and click on Guardian and send him the Armor.
Note: Guardian will now have an Armor to go with the starting Club & Heal charm.

Gear & Stats:

Weapons: Club and All Heavy Weapons.
Charms: Heal type ONLY.
Stats: 30 Strength / 10 Dexterity / 55 Intelligence / 55 Vitality

#1 The Typical Build:
The "Typical" build reference is more for other melee-tank classes in comparison to Guardian. Yet it is still viable in a "Group" & "Solo". The "DPS" is lower than others.

Weapon: Best Enhanced Effect
Armor: Best Enhanced Effect Note: Alternative is Stat (Highest Weapon Ratio) dependent on group dynamics of having a better tanker
Main Charm: Highest Stat for your Weapon (Club : Strength)
ACC Charm: Highest Enhanced Effect Heal type. (Focus & Regular are the norm, Wild Heal is cheap.)
TIP(s): Class level & Tier level of Weapon & Armor is based on the best Damage / Defense total shown 'Character Screen" or when hovering over them from your inventory. ACC charm is optional in "Group", but required for "Solo"

Abilities: Choice of 1-3 from ANY Class (Penalties apply off Class & unlocked).
Group: Multistrike #1 (5pts = 39% @ lvl 35 or 8pts = 52% @ lvl 55) ... Knockdown #2 (Optional: 4pts = 34%) ... Powerstrike #3 (Optional: Can replace Knockdown, but with less % to charge up)
Note: If in doubt, ask the group advice for placement of your points and Ability they want you to concentrate on.
Solo: ????? (need more thought to this when I get back)


WILL CONTINUE WITH THIS GUIDE AT A LATER TIME



Guardian Melee / Tank Build (Solo or Group):
Note: Your position in group is Front. Concentrate on damage while tanking.

Stats:
... 75-95 Vitality (Core & Gear related) : Rest of the points towards your MQ Weapon Ratio Highest Stat
Weapons: preferably 100% or more Enhanced Effect and Club being main weapon.
... Club (90str/10dex ratio) | Battleaxe (50/50 ratio) | Longswords (75str/25dex ratio)
... Spears (10str/90dex ratio) | Polearms (25str/75dex ratio) & Warhammers (90str/10dex ratio) are secondary options.
... Note: Since you start with more Strength, I would opt for Strength Ratio weapons.
Armor: 100% Enhanced Effect or more.
... Plates/Chain Mail as stated 100% or more enhanced effect and within the Tier Level of your toon Level.
... Note: Enhanced Effect and damage stat combination armor is better.
Main Charms:
... Heal Type ONLY with Stats to suit your Weapons Ratio.
... Note: If you do NOT have any Damage stat charms, you can use Vitality &/or Intelligence charm here for defense.
ACC Slot Charms:
... Focus Heals (1st option) / Regular Heals (2nd option) with 80% or more Enhanced Effect as long as Tier Lvl = Toon Lvl
Abilities: Full Group 1:
... Knockdown: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 20 achieved)
... Bottomsup: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 45 achieved with Knockdown)
... Note: Increase any ability to help with faster charge rate for damage. Third Ability = Backstab, problem is that you will be level 70 by the time you get to 40% charge.
Abilities: Full Group 2:
... Multistrike: 06% / 12% / 17% / 22% / 27% / 31% / 35% / 39% (total 5 points = level 35 achieved)
... Knockdown: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% (total 5 points = level 55 achieved with Multistrike)
... Note : You can opt for only Multistrike = 52% @ level 55
Abilities: Solo:
... Salvation: 20% / 36% / 48% (total 3 points = level 10 achieved)
... Powerstrike: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 35 achieved with Salvation)
... Retribution: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% (total 4 points = level 55 achieved with Salvation & Powerstrike)
... Note: Increase any ability to help with faster charge rate for damage or healing.

Guardian Melee / Heal Build (Solo / Group):
Note: Group dynamic, role, positioning and gear availability lead to many variations. The following information will be Basic:

Solo 1: = Using Stat Armor
... Stats: 75 (SC) | 95 (HC) Vitality / 75 Intelligence : Rest of the points towards your MQ Weapon Ratio Highest Stat
... Weapon: 100% Enhanced Effect or more Club. (Heavy Weapons refer to Guardian Heavy Weapon build)
... Armor: Chain or Plate: Strength Stat with either Intelligence or Heal Mastery combination is best, but Strength Stat will suffice ensure Tier level is the same as toon level
... Main Charm: Strength Stat with either Intelligence or Heal Mastery combination is best, but Strength Stat or 50+ Intelligence will suffice
... Acc Slot: 85% Enhanced Effect or more healing type charm. Preferably Focus or Regular, otherwise 100% enhanced effect or more Wild Heal.
... Abilities: You can choose which ones to increase first and which needs improvement after level 55
... ... Salvation 20% / 36% / 48% / 58% / 66% = 5 points = Level 20
... ... Retribution 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% / 46% / 51% = 7 points = level 55 including Salvation
... END NOTE: if you are finding it hard to heal more life than damage being taken, either increase Salvation or switch your Heal charm to Main Slot ONLY if you are NOT using +50 or more Intelligence in main slot, as it won't make a difference in heal capacity.

Solo 2: = Using Enhanced Effect Armor
... Stats: 75 (SC) | 95 (HC) Vitality / 75 Intelligence : Rest of the points towards your MQ Weapon Ratio Highest Stat
... Weapon: 100% Enhanced Effect or more Club. (Heavy Weapons refer to Guardian Heavy Weapon build & Armor info below)
... Armor: Chain or Plate: 100% Enhanced Effect or more. Combination of Strength / Intelligence or Heal Mastery is best. Ensure Tier level is the same as toon level
... Main Charm: Strength Stat with either Intelligence or Heal Mastery combination is best, but Strength Stat or 50+ Intelligence will suffice
... Acc Slot: 85% Enhanced Effect or more healing type charm. Preferably Focus or Regular, otherwise 100% enhanced effect or more Wild Heal.
... Abilities: You can choose which ones to increase first and which needs improvement after level 55
... ... Salvation 20% / 36% / 48% / 58% / 66% = 5 points = Level 20
... ... Powerstrike 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% / 46% / 51% = 7 points = level 55 including Salvation
... END NOTE: if you are finding it hard to heal more life than damage being taken, either increase Salvation or switch your Heal charm to Main Slot ONLY if you are NOT using +50 or more Intelligence in main slot, as it won't make a difference in heal capacity.

Guardian Solo Heavy Weapon Build:
Note: If your gear has a combined 20% or more Quick Draw, it can interrupt your next action whether it is Healing or Exiting game.

Stats:
... 75-90 Vitality / 50-75 Intelligence : Rest of the points towards your MQ Weapon Ratio Highest Stat
Weapons: preferably 75% or more Enhanced Effect
... Battleaxe (50/50 ratio) | Longswords (75str/25dex ratio) | Spears (10str/90dex ratio)
... Polearms (25str/75dex ratio) & Warhammers (90str/10dex ratio) are secondary options.
... Note: Since you start with more Strength, I would opt for Strength Ratio weapons.
Armor:
... Plates/Chain Mail with Stats to suit your Weapons Ratio and try to stay within the Tier Level of your toon Level.
... Note: Maybe have spare Intelligence armor for some of those dicey EPs that cast dmg.
Main Charms:
... Heal Type ONLY with Stats to suit your Weapons Ratio.
... Note: Stat plus HM are better, or Dual stat damage / intelligence for some of those dicey EPs that cast dmg.
ACC Slot Charms:
... Focus Heals (1st option) / Regular Heals (2nd option) with 80% or more Enhanced Effect as long as Tier Lvl = Toon Lvl
Abilities:
... Salvation: 20% / 36% / 48% / 58% (total 4 points = level 15 achieved)
... Retribution: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 40 achieved with Salvation)
... Note: Increase any ability to help with either faster dmg or heal... 1 more point Salvation = 66%

Guardian Group Melee Build:
Note: This character will most likely be in the BACK row unless requested for Middle (dependent on group setup)

Stats:
... 75 Vitality : Rest of the points towards your MQ Weapon Ratio Highest Stat
... Note: Ask group whether they are exploring (if so what level from / to) and ask them IF you need more than 75 Vitality.
Weapons: preferably 100% or more Enhanced Effect
... Club (90str/10dex ratio) | Battleaxe (50/50 ratio) | Longswords (75str/25dex ratio)
... Spears (10str/90dex ratio) | Polearms (25str/75dex ratio) & Warhammers (90str/10dex ratio) are secondary options.
... Note: Since you start with more Strength, I would opt for Strength Ratio weapons.
Armor:
... Plates/Chain Mail with Stats to suit your Weapons Ratio and try to stay within the Tier Level of your toon Level.
Main Charms:
... Heal Type ONLY with Stats to suit your Weapons Ratio.
... Note: Dual Damage Stat are better, or Dual stat damage / intelligence &/or Vitality for defense.
ACC Slot Charms:
Note: Using enhanced effect heal type charm can come in handy to backup caster / healer in group IF needed.
... Focus Heals (1st option) / Regular Heals (2nd option) with 80% or more Enhanced Effect as long as Tier Lvl = Toon Lvl
Abilities: Full Group 1
... Knockdown: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 20 achieved)
... Bottomsup: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 45 achieved with Knockdown)
... Note: Increase any ability to help with faster charge rate for damage. Third Ability = Backstab, problem is that you will be level 70 by the time you get to 40% charge.
Abilities: Full Group 2:
... Multistrike: 06% / 12% / 17% / 22% / 27% / 31% / 35% / 39% (total 5 8 points = level 35 achieved)
... Knockdown: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% (total 5 4 points = level 55 achieved with Multistrike)
... Note : You can choose Multistrike all the way to level 55 for 52%
_____________________________

Excess info... may use later on:

Guardian Builds
Following information referring to build and items to use

This post was edited by izParagonzi on May 6 2020 06:02pm

~@~ Guardian ~@~

WARNING: It is advisable that a Beginner should not play this class due to the high "Restriction" in gear.

Starting Gear & Stats:

Weapons: Club and All Heavy Weapons.
Charms: Heal type ONLY.
Stats: 30 Strength / 10 Dexterity / 55 Intelligence / 55 Vitality

"TIP(s)" If you want to begin with this "Class". 'With' or 'Without' FG, read further.

'With':
Create your Guardian, go to town and purchase the BEST Tier III Club / Armor / Main Charm (depending on build) that you can afford.

'Without':
#1 Once you create your Guardian, also create a Barbarian Mule.
#2 Re-roll your Barbarian click on him again and Select Barbarian
#3 With Barbarian, go to town, click Marketplace, Transfer and click on Guardian and send him the Armor.
Note: Guardian will now have an Armor to go with the starting Club & Heal charm.

#1 Melee-Tank Build:
The "Melee-Tank Build" reference is more for other classes and "Group" play. Guardian has lower DPS vs other classes, yet they start with more Intelligence, so they are more optimal as a Tank/Healer in groups. More information #2 Tank-Healer further below.
Note: Ask the group for advice what Ability to use and placement for catacomb. Their input may change your setup slightly dependent on what gear you have available.

Weapon: Best Enhanced Effect
Armor: Best Enhanced Effect
Main Charm: Highest Stat for your Weapon (Club : Strength)
ACC Charm: Highest Enhanced Effect Heal type. (Focus & Regular are the norm, Wild Heal is cheap.)
TIP(s): Class level & Tier level of Weapon & Armor is based on the best Damage / Defense total shown 'Character Screen" or when hovering over them from your inventory. ACC charm is optional in "Group", but required for "Solo"

Abilities: Choice of 1-3 from ANY Class (Penalties apply off Class & unlocked). When to use Ability charge(s)? Personally 75% as long as you have 100% or more enhanced effect.
Group: Multistrike #1 (5pts = 39% @ lvl 35 or 8pts = 52% @ lvl 55) ... Knockdown #2 (Optional: 4pts = 34%) or Powerstrike.
Note: No point having a third ability.
Solo: ????? (need more thought to this when I get back)


WILL CONTINUE WITH THIS GUIDE AT A LATER TIME

#1 The Typical Build:
The "Typical" build reference is more for other melee-tank classes in comparison to Guardian. Yet it is still viable in a "Group" & "Solo". The "DPS" is lower than others.
Note: Alternative: Stat for Highest Weapon Ratio (i.e. Club 90 str / 10 dex)

Guardian Melee / Tank Build (Solo or Group):
Note: Your position in group is Front. Concentrate on damage while tanking.

Stats:
... 75-95 Vitality (Core & Gear related) : Rest of the points towards your MQ Weapon Ratio Highest Stat
Weapons: preferably 100% or more Enhanced Effect and Club being main weapon.
... Club (90str/10dex ratio) | Battleaxe (50/50 ratio) | Longswords (75str/25dex ratio)
... Spears (10str/90dex ratio) | Polearms (25str/75dex ratio) & Warhammers (90str/10dex ratio) are secondary options.
... Note: Since you start with more Strength, I would opt for Strength Ratio weapons.
Armor: 100% Enhanced Effect or more.
... Plates/Chain Mail as stated 100% or more enhanced effect and within the Tier Level of your toon Level.
... Note: Enhanced Effect and damage stat combination armor is better.
Main Charms:
... Heal Type ONLY with Stats to suit your Weapons Ratio.
... Note: If you do NOT have any Damage stat charms, you can use Vitality &/or Intelligence charm here for defense.
ACC Slot Charms:
... Focus Heals (1st option) / Regular Heals (2nd option) with 80% or more Enhanced Effect as long as Tier Lvl = Toon Lvl
Abilities: Full Group 1:
... Knockdown: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 20 achieved)
... Bottomsup: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 45 achieved with Knockdown)
... Note: Increase any ability to help with faster charge rate for damage. Third Ability = Backstab, problem is that you will be level 70 by the time you get to 40% charge.
Abilities: Full Group 2:
... Multistrike: 06% / 12% / 17% / 22% / 27% / 31% / 35% / 39% (total 5 points = level 35 achieved)
... Knockdown: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% (total 5 points = level 55 achieved with Multistrike)
... Note : You can opt for only Multistrike = 52% @ level 55
Abilities: Solo:
... Salvation: 20% / 36% / 48% (total 3 points = level 10 achieved)
... Powerstrike: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 35 achieved with Salvation)
... Retribution: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% (total 4 points = level 55 achieved with Salvation & Powerstrike)
... Note: Increase any ability to help with faster charge rate for damage or healing.

Guardian Melee / Heal Build (Solo / Group):
Note: Group dynamic, role, positioning and gear availability lead to many variations. The following information will be Basic:

Solo 1: = Using Stat Armor
... Stats: 75 (SC) | 95 (HC) Vitality / 75 Intelligence : Rest of the points towards your MQ Weapon Ratio Highest Stat
... Weapon: 100% Enhanced Effect or more Club. (Heavy Weapons refer to Guardian Heavy Weapon build)
... Armor: Chain or Plate: Strength Stat with either Intelligence or Heal Mastery combination is best, but Strength Stat will suffice ensure Tier level is the same as toon level
... Main Charm: Strength Stat with either Intelligence or Heal Mastery combination is best, but Strength Stat or 50+ Intelligence will suffice
... Acc Slot: 85% Enhanced Effect or more healing type charm. Preferably Focus or Regular, otherwise 100% enhanced effect or more Wild Heal.
... Abilities: You can choose which ones to increase first and which needs improvement after level 55
... ... Salvation 20% / 36% / 48% / 58% / 66% = 5 points = Level 20
... ... Retribution 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% / 46% / 51% = 7 points = level 55 including Salvation
... END NOTE: if you are finding it hard to heal more life than damage being taken, either increase Salvation or switch your Heal charm to Main Slot ONLY if you are NOT using +50 or more Intelligence in main slot, as it won't make a difference in heal capacity.

Solo 2: = Using Enhanced Effect Armor
... Stats: 75 (SC) | 95 (HC) Vitality / 75 Intelligence : Rest of the points towards your MQ Weapon Ratio Highest Stat
... Weapon: 100% Enhanced Effect or more Club. (Heavy Weapons refer to Guardian Heavy Weapon build & Armor info below)
... Armor: Chain or Plate: 100% Enhanced Effect or more. Combination of Strength / Intelligence or Heal Mastery is best. Ensure Tier level is the same as toon level
... Main Charm: Strength Stat with either Intelligence or Heal Mastery combination is best, but Strength Stat or 50+ Intelligence will suffice
... Acc Slot: 85% Enhanced Effect or more healing type charm. Preferably Focus or Regular, otherwise 100% enhanced effect or more Wild Heal.
... Abilities: You can choose which ones to increase first and which needs improvement after level 55
... ... Salvation 20% / 36% / 48% / 58% / 66% = 5 points = Level 20
... ... Powerstrike 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% / 46% / 51% = 7 points = level 55 including Salvation
... END NOTE: if you are finding it hard to heal more life than damage being taken, either increase Salvation or switch your Heal charm to Main Slot ONLY if you are NOT using +50 or more Intelligence in main slot, as it won't make a difference in heal capacity.

Guardian Solo Heavy Weapon Build:
Note: If your gear has a combined 20% or more Quick Draw, it can interrupt your next action whether it is Healing or Exiting game.

Stats:
... 75-90 Vitality / 50-75 Intelligence : Rest of the points towards your MQ Weapon Ratio Highest Stat
Weapons: preferably 75% or more Enhanced Effect
... Battleaxe (50/50 ratio) | Longswords (75str/25dex ratio) | Spears (10str/90dex ratio)
... Polearms (25str/75dex ratio) & Warhammers (90str/10dex ratio) are secondary options.
... Note: Since you start with more Strength, I would opt for Strength Ratio weapons.
Armor:
... Plates/Chain Mail with Stats to suit your Weapons Ratio and try to stay within the Tier Level of your toon Level.
... Note: Maybe have spare Intelligence armor for some of those dicey EPs that cast dmg.
Main Charms:
... Heal Type ONLY with Stats to suit your Weapons Ratio.
... Note: Stat plus HM are better, or Dual stat damage / intelligence for some of those dicey EPs that cast dmg.
ACC Slot Charms:
... Focus Heals (1st option) / Regular Heals (2nd option) with 80% or more Enhanced Effect as long as Tier Lvl = Toon Lvl
Abilities:
... Salvation: 20% / 36% / 48% / 58% (total 4 points = level 15 achieved)
... Retribution: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 40 achieved with Salvation)
... Note: Increase any ability to help with either faster dmg or heal... 1 more point Salvation = 66%

Guardian Group Melee Build:
Note: This character will most likely be in the BACK row unless requested for Middle (dependent on group setup)

Stats:
... 75 Vitality : Rest of the points towards your MQ Weapon Ratio Highest Stat
... Note: Ask group whether they are exploring (if so what level from / to) and ask them IF you need more than 75 Vitality.
Weapons: preferably 100% or more Enhanced Effect
... Club (90str/10dex ratio) | Battleaxe (50/50 ratio) | Longswords (75str/25dex ratio)
... Spears (10str/90dex ratio) | Polearms (25str/75dex ratio) & Warhammers (90str/10dex ratio) are secondary options.
... Note: Since you start with more Strength, I would opt for Strength Ratio weapons.
Armor:
... Plates/Chain Mail with Stats to suit your Weapons Ratio and try to stay within the Tier Level of your toon Level.
Main Charms:
... Heal Type ONLY with Stats to suit your Weapons Ratio.
... Note: Dual Damage Stat are better, or Dual stat damage / intelligence &/or Vitality for defense.
ACC Slot Charms:
Note: Using enhanced effect heal type charm can come in handy to backup caster / healer in group IF needed.
... Focus Heals (1st option) / Regular Heals (2nd option) with 80% or more Enhanced Effect as long as Tier Lvl = Toon Lvl
Abilities: Full Group 1
... Knockdown: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 20 achieved)
... Bottomsup: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% / 40% (total 5 points = level 45 achieved with Knockdown)
... Note: Increase any ability to help with faster charge rate for damage. Third Ability = Backstab, problem is that you will be level 70 by the time you get to 40% charge.
Abilities: Full Group 2:
... Multistrike: 06% / 12% / 17% / 22% / 27% / 31% / 35% / 39% (total 5 8 points = level 35 achieved)
... Knockdown: 10% / 19% / 27% / 34% (total 5 4 points = level 55 achieved with Multistrike)
... Note : You can choose Multistrike all the way to level 55 for 52%
_____________________________

Excess info... may use later on:

Guardian Builds
Following information referring to build and items to use

This post was edited by izParagonzi on May 7 2020 04:49pm

Well... got 2 Paladins to 75 (2 @ 65) and 1 Guardian to 71...

This post was edited by izParagonzi on May 8 2020 12:36pm

OMFG, I should kick my own ass (but can not reach it) for still doing the dumb things I use to do when I died with MQ gear on in the past. The items the image shows are just EES gear, my MQ gear is still sitting in the first 3 spots in my inventory. (I just logged in, set up my windows and settings... but TOTATALLY forgot equipping myself)

https://prnt.sc/sdi4eb

No illicit stuff, safe to open, don't have my old email for me to add to Image shack and get code to post here.

Easy there rex lol thats a recipe for disaster

Gz on the pallies as well bud

yeah that's like leaving the house and going grocery shopping naked

Mask or no mask? Asking the real questions here lol