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Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Nov 2017 16:25)

well, what should be done about the las vegas and the texas shootings? the las vegas shooter appears to be a mystery, someone that was on nobody's radar. he was also rich enough to have bought illegal guns for his shooting spree even under the tightest gun laws imaginable.
the las vegas shooting was ended early because a good guy with a gun stopped him. would probably have been even worse if strict gun laws had been in place. also, the major fuckup was the military not informing the local authorities about his dishonorable discharge and the mental hospital allowing him to escape.

when it comes to the new york attack, there was no obvious fuckup everyone agrees on. the issue there was that the government let a random muslim without families ties or qualification and job prospects into the country to satisfy an opaque goal of "diversity among immigrants". in doing this, they set the guy up for failed integration, which in the case of muslims often leads to radicalization.

so the major difference between the three cases is the following:

no one really knows how to prevent a scenario like the one in las vegas.
everyone agrees that the military fucked up big time in the case of the texas shooter. tighter gun control would not have made a difference: the guy should have been blacklisted even with our current laws, but he was not because the authorities failed to exchange data. when it comes to the new york attacker, most on the liberal side still defend and support the "diversity immigration lottery", while most conservatives see this lottery as a big issue that must be changed. therefore, this case is triggering the conservative guy in your cartoon the most.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Nov 2017 17:25)

well, what should be done about the las vegas and the texas shootings? the las vegas shooter appears to be a mystery, someone that was on nobody's radar. he was also rich enough to have bought illegal guns for his shooting spree even under the tightest gun laws imaginable.
the texas shooting was ended early because a good guy with a gun stopped him. would probably have been even worse if strict gun laws had been in place. also, the major fuckup was the military not informing the local authorities about his dishonorable discharge and the mental hospital allowing him to escape.

when it comes to the new york attack, there was no obvious fuckup everyone agrees on. the issue there was that the government let a random muslim without families ties or qualification and job prospects into the country to satisfy an opaque goal of "diversity among immigrants". in doing this, they set the guy up for failed integration, which in the case of muslims often leads to radicalization.

so the major difference between the three cases is the following:

no one really knows how to prevent a scenario like the one in las vegas.
everyone agrees that the military fucked up big time in the case of the texas shooter. tighter gun control would not have made a difference: the guy should have been blacklisted even with our current laws, but he was not because the authorities failed to exchange data.
when it comes to the new york attacker, most on the liberal side still defend and support the "diversity immigration lottery", while most conservatives see this lottery as a big issue that must be changed. therefore, this case is triggering the conservative guy in your cartoon the most.

Quote (fender @ Nov 9 2017 11:41am)

obligatory "no way to prevent this" link: https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819580358

Quote (fender @ 9 Nov 2017 17:41)

obligatory "no way to prevent this" link: https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-prevent-this-says-only-nation-where-this-r-1819580358

Quote (ampoo @ 9 Nov 2017 17:44)

strict gun laws can prevent a random guy walking into a gun shop to buy whatever he likes and then to shoot people, fair enough

it does not change the status quo however
and that status quo is over 300 million firearms + an unknown number of illegal weapons
and of course enough ammunition to fight a world war

in such a country a guy like the las vegas shooter with enough cash needs half a day to buy himself a nice arsenal of weapons, legal or illegal

so what is the solution of leftist anti gun activists like fenderp? except typical whining and denouncing legal and responsible gun owners that is

there is no argument against tighter restrictions for weapon sales, but it will certainly NOT stop the violence
and the crime gangs in chicago and detroit etc, that make up the bulk of victims will continue to kill each other



feel free to make an actual argument on how the wise fender wants to prevent more shootings

Quote (Scaly @ 9 Nov 2017 19:52)

It won't stop the shooting instantly but it will reduce them over time. Everybody opposed to gun control only argues against the short term. Yes enforcing strict gun control won't get rid of the illegal guns on the streets but it does cut off the majority of the supply of those guns.

Quote (Scaly @ Nov 9 2017 11:31am)

If strict gun laws were in place the lv shooter wouldn't have that many guns and be 'on nobody's radar'. If strict gun laws were in place the texas shooter wouldn't have been able to get more than a low calibre hunting rifle and probably not even that unless he has a hunting licence and membership in a gun club.

Those are strict laws. What you think are strict laws are actually namby pamby half measures to appease idiots.

Quote (Black XistenZ @ 9 Nov 2017 18:03)

Just for the record: I am for stricter gun control than what we currently have in the US. But I'm against outlawing private guns completely.

And my points still stand:
The las vegas shooter was under the radar and he was wealthy. Even in a country where there are no privately owned, legal guns circulating, he could easily purchase them on the black market. He wasnt an impulsive guy who snapped, he had his shooting spree planned meticulously.
The texas shooter would not have been able to purchase guns legally under current law if not for the military forgetting to send the records to the corresponding authorities to get him blacklisted.