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Deadly Strike/Critical Strike
# Deadly Strike (DS)/Critical Strike (CS) are both a chance to double your Physical damage.
# They apply to both Melee and Ranged attacks, but not to Spells.
# They do not apply to Impale, Dragon Talon, Dragon Tail, Dragon Flight, Sacrifice, or Smite.
# They do work with the Blade Traps.
# Skills that convert Physical damage to a different type (Magic, Fire and Cold Arrows, Lightning Bolt, Fists of Fire, Berserk, Concentrate, and Frenzy (when synergized by Berserk)) do so after DS or CS are applied, so converted damage is doubled.
# They will modify your final Physical damage with Vengeance but have *no* effect on the Elemental damage caused by Vengeance.
# Sources of Deadly Strike stack except from a weapon which is not being used to inflict that particular blow.
# Different types of Critical Strike do *not* stack (e.g. Barbarian Weapon Masteries and Amazon Critical Strike).
# There is no point to having more than a 100% chance of DS/CS.
# Critical Strike and Deadly Strike have the same mechanics and only one of them can trigger on any given attack (so a player can't get quadruple damage)





ok, now someone is trying to tell me that CS and DS stack, I've tried to explain so many times, Idk what else it would take, maybe if 20 0ther jsp members who knew what they were talking about can agree with me.



My explanation:





Help me please

They both are the same thing, But no they dont stack they are seperate so it would be xx cs + xxds dmg instead of xxx of both

my bad my bad thought u were talking about cb lol

but ds does not stack w/ cs

This post was edited by irmule on Jan 26 2010 12:32pm

no? cb takes off a health %

Deadly Strike

Deadly strike gives you the chance to do double damage. All melee damage is doubled, whether its physical, magic or elemental (i.e. skills such as Berserk, Vengeance or Fire Claws for example). Deadly Strike does not work with Smite.

Deadly strike is the last thing that's applied to your damage, meaning that all other damage modifiers are taken into account as well.

Deadly Strike stack in all cases, there is only one chance to trigger a deadly strike blow per hit. There is no cap on how high the chance to trigger a deadly strike can get, but anything over 100% is a waste.

Deadly strike and Critical Strike (passive Amazon skill, also found on the runeword Insight), should not be mixed up. Although they work in the same way, they stack with eachother (although in a rather unusual way), and thus cannot trigger at the same time (i.e. resulting in quadruple damage). The exact chance to do double damage is given by: Real chance to do double damage = Critical Strike + (Deadly Strike / 100) * (100 - Critical Strike)

For example, with a 75% chance of deadly strike, and 25% chance of Critical Strike, the real chance to do double damage is 81.25%. Or 0.75 (75 divided by 100) times 75 (100 minus 25) plus 25.

All of this can also be found in the calculator attached at the end of this post.


--http://extreme-gamerz.org/diablo2/viewdiablo2/woundsstrikesblows





Deadly Strike gives you an X% chance of dealing double Damage. The damage is doubled after all other bonuses, including Strength and Dexterity modifiers. Deadly Strike will not stack with the Assassins, Barbarians or Amazons Critical Strike bonuses, although there are advantages to having both. When you have both Deadly Strike and Critical Strike the game will roll for one of the bonuses first(lets say Deadly Strike), if that fails the game will then roll for the other bonus(Critical Strike). If the first bonus succeeds, however, there is no roll for the second bonus as the game only allows for 2X damage, never 4X damage.

--http://diablo.wikia.com/wiki/Deadly_Strike




or just google: Deadly strike Diablo 2


thyeres plenty of other forums with ppl asking the same ? and sayign the same thing.

They dont stack

50% DS + 50%CS = 75% chance to do double

Make a probability chart-

Say you have 30% crit, and 40% ds. My understanding is that you have a 75% chance of getting dble dmg from this.
So the maths is like... you calculate the CS or the DS first, it doesnt matter- If you have 50CS, then you already have 30% chance to get dble dmg. If you have DS on top of this, say of 40%, then you calculate the possibility of getting dble damage with DS only if you haven't already got it with your 30% crit. This leaves a 70% 2nd chance window for your DS to work, of which 40% of the time, through this 2nd stage, you will hit for dble dmg. That's a simple calculation of 70/100 * 40/100 = 28/100 = 28% chance of getting dble dmg, through this 2nd window.
The total chance to dble dmg is therefore: the first 30% CS, added to the 2nd window opportunity of 28% with DS. 30%+28% = 58%

Geek maths: %CS + %DS(100-%CS)/100, or alternatively, %DS + %CS(100-%DS)/100,

Where the %CS is the percent chance of Critical strike, and %DS is % chance of deadly strike.
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A little table. Really simple.
______DS% 10_20_30_40_50_60_70_80_90_100
Crit%|
10|________19_28_37_46_55_64_73_82_91_100


Overall % chance to get your dbl dmg.




[COLOR=red]Or. This is all terribly incorrect, in which case, /ignore.

Your equation is right, but i got lost in ur math

point is that CS and DS dont stack

The wayy it works:

assume 50% DS and 50% CS, also assume u shoot 100 arrows

50% of the 100 arrows will get CS first, thats 50 arrows that do double damage

of the remaining 50 arrows, 50% will get DS, thats 25 arrows that get double damage

so 75/100 arrows got double damage

total % chance to do double damage = 75%

ds and cs does not stack...
it does the same thing, but
all it does is trigger at different times,
that's saying if u stack ds and cs and ur a vita build, ur basically shotting arrows that'll be like a gc arrow...no that's horribly wrong

honestly in my humble opinion
do what works for you best
EDIT: But in all facts, Cs and Ds do not stack and if you wonder why, read above ^^

This post was edited by LOLRagezzz on Jan 26 2010 12:56pm