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Jul 6 2023 02:18pm


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What do you need help with / what did you try..?
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Part A
It depends if we consider a general function on real numbers or a realistic area function (where, for example, negative numbers make no sense).
In the first case: Dom{A} = {r in R / A(r) is defined on R} = R, because for each value of radius there is a corresponding A(r) (it's a basic parabolic function)
In the second case: Dom{A} = {r in R+ / A(r) in R+} = R+, because for each positive value of radius there is a corresponding A(r) that is positive

Part B
You have to find the root solutions of 2*pi*r^2 + 16*pi*r - A = 0
This leads to r(A) = -4 +/- sqrt(16 + A/2pi)
Since this is not a function because "+/-" does not lead to a unique value, we assume for simplicity the second case of Part A, so that both A and r must be positive to make sense.
This means r(A) = -4 + sqrt(16 + A/2pi) because r(A) -4 - sqrt(etc...) always lead to a negative number
16 + A/2pi >= 0 because of square root --> A>= -32pi (always true, we assumed A>=0)
Moreover, if A=0 then r(A)=0 which makes sense (a cylinder with 0 radius has 0 area)

Part C
This is just r(250) = -4 + sqrt(16 + 250/2pi) = -4 + sqrt(55,79) = 3,47
Lets verify this, A(3,47) = 2*pi*(12,04) + 16*pi*3,47 = 75,65 + 174,42 = 250,07 (0,07 of mistake due some rounding up)


Tips appreciated :D

This post was edited by NomadJe on Jul 7 2023 07:39am
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Quote (NomadJe @ Jul 7 2023 09:38am)
Part A
It depends if we consider a general function on real numbers or a realistic area function (where, for example, negative numbers make no sense).
In the first case: Dom{A} = {r in R / A(r) is defined on R} = R, because for each value of radius there is a corresponding A(r) (it's a basic parabolic function)
In the second case: Dom{A} = {r in R+ / A(r) in R+} = R+, because for each positive value of radius there is a corresponding A(r) that is positive

Part B
You have to find the root solutions of 2*pi*r^2 + 16*pi*r - A = 0
This leads to r(A) = -4 +/- sqrt(16 + A/2pi)
Since this is not a function because "+/-" does not lead to a unique value, we assume for simplicity the second case of Part A, so that both A and r must be positive to make sense.
This means r(A) = -4 + sqrt(16 + A/2pi) because r(A) -4 - sqrt(etc...) always lead to a negative number
16 + A/2pi >= 0 because of square root --> A>= -32pi (always true, we assumed A>=0)
Moreover, if A=0 then r(A)=0 which makes sense (a cylinder with 0 radius has 0 area)

Part C
This is just r(250) = -4 + sqrt(16 + 250/2pi) = -4 + sqrt(55,79) = 3,47
Lets verify this, A(3,47) = 2*pi*(12,04) + 16*pi*3,47 = 75,65 + 174,42 = 250,07 (0,07 of mistake due some rounding up)


Ty that is what I got got it done around 1030 last night ugh lol
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Quote (NomadJe @ Jul 7 2023 09:38am)
Part A
It depends if we consider a general function on real numbers or a realistic area function (where, for example, negative numbers make no sense).
In the first case: Dom{A} = {r in R / A(r) is defined on R} = R, because for each value of radius there is a corresponding A(r) (it's a basic parabolic function)
In the second case: Dom{A} = {r in R+ / A(r) in R+} = R+, because for each positive value of radius there is a corresponding A(r) that is positive

Part B
You have to find the root solutions of 2*pi*r^2 + 16*pi*r - A = 0
This leads to r(A) = -4 +/- sqrt(16 + A/2pi)
Since this is not a function because "+/-" does not lead to a unique value, we assume for simplicity the second case of Part A, so that both A and r must be positive to make sense.
This means r(A) = -4 + sqrt(16 + A/2pi) because r(A) -4 - sqrt(etc...) always lead to a negative number
16 + A/2pi >= 0 because of square root --> A>= -32pi (always true, we assumed A>=0)
Moreover, if A=0 then r(A)=0 which makes sense (a cylinder with 0 radius has 0 area)

Part C
This is just r(250) = -4 + sqrt(16 + 250/2pi) = -4 + sqrt(55,79) = 3,47
Lets verify this, A(3,47) = 2*pi*(12,04) + 16*pi*3,47 = 75,65 + 174,42 = 250,07 (0,07 of mistake due some rounding up)


Tips appreciated :D


I know we are on jsp, but I'm really not a fan of just straight up giving the answers ; math is really more about the thought process and by giving them the answer straight up you're robbing them of that ! Really more of a fan of just asking questions until they figure it out (but like I said, I know I'm on jsp forum so I'm probably talking in the wind and not pointing at you in particular)
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Jul 7 2023 08:37am
Quote (Churika @ Jul 7 2023 04:30pm)
I know we are on jsp, but I'm really not a fan of just straight up giving the answers ; math is really more about the thought process and by giving them the answer straight up you're robbing them of that ! Really more of a fan of just asking questions until they figure it out (but like I said, I know I'm on jsp forum so I'm probably talking in the wind and not pointing at you in particular)


IRL I'm like you depict we should be, here the interaction is very limited and it's more a give-give on demand community.
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IRL I'm like you depict we should be, here the interaction is very limited and it's more a give-give on demand community.


Yeah I completely understand ! I guess I'm just a bit sad so many people hate math related subject, when for them it's just a mean to end, when really math should be thought of as an art. Nothing against you / anyone in particular of course
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Quote (Churika @ Jul 7 2023 04:39pm)
Yeah I completely understand ! I guess I'm just a bit sad so many people hate math related subject, when for them it's just a mean to end, when really math should be thought of as an art. Nothing against you / anyone in particular of course


Well, I wish you didn't have anything against a professional mathematician :thumbsup:
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Jul 10 2023 06:44pm
Quote (NomadJe @ Jul 7 2023 11:37am)
Well, I wish you didn't have anything against a professional mathematician :thumbsup:


I'm curious ; what's a "professional mathematician"?
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Quote (Churika @ Jul 11 2023 02:44am)
I'm curious ; what's a "professional mathematician"?


Someone who studied 7-10 years in order to be able to be profitable in the math "industry" and in the research.
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