kudos to stones , a defender with great dribbling skills. Still remember media labeling stones as flop last time , what a joke

Fender as always humiliating and at the same time educating! Don't stop the music sir!

Winning the treble twice doesn't make you the best manager ever. It's a great achievement, no doubt about that, but not necessarily harder than what others have done.

SAF, since you cited him, won the Cup Winner's Cup and the league with fucking Aberdeen. No other team (barring Celtic and Rangers, ofc) has won the SPL since then (38 years ago). Is it more prestiious than winning two trebles? No. Is it harder than winning two trebles with the most dominant team in Europe (especially when you have by far the highest budget spending and oil driven financial doping behind you)? Probably yes.

Brian Clough won the league and two consecutive CLs right after promoting from the second tier. Good luck seeing that happen again.

And so on...

You can't judge the greatness of a manager on some achievement alone, no matter how prestigious it is, because there are so many different factors that make different feats in football difficult in their own way.

Yes, Pep is a great manager that has built a spectacular football machine. Few managers can probably pull that off. He has however, also failed to win the CL 10 years in a row, despite being almost always at least a top3 contender for the title and having the ability to print money almost infinitely. So it really comes down to how you view the glass; half empty or half full.

Bottom line is there is no such thing as greatest manager ever. They all have different circumstances and achieve success in different ways. Yes, Pep should be remembered as a one of the greatest ever, and it's fair if you personally want to rate him above or below SAF or any other great manager, but you can't objectively claim he's number one. It would be interesting to see him managing stoke, or seeing other managers in charge of this City... perhaps Pep would still outshine and no one else can pull off creating this beastly City, or perhaps he'd fail in such a different environment, we will never know.

Pep would struggle to play his style without extremely talented players.

fergie failed to win the CL for 9 years in a row? and only won it twice in 30 years, your point being?

You only bolded half of the sentence... I said "despite being almost always at least a top3 contender for the title and having the ability to print money almost infinitely."

Throughout most of his spell at Man Utd, his team was very rarely a top 3 contender for the title. Madrid, Juve, Milan and Bayern all had consistently better teams in the 90's and early 00's, and by a significant margin. Utd were a tier 2 team along with Valencia, Barcelona and maybe Inter... definitely a team with a chance to win the title, but far from being a favourite.

But, most importantly, SAF couldn't had a far tighter budget than Guardiola, who can simply print more and more money. Also, keep in mind that players didn't flock to the prem back in the day. The league lacked both the money and prestiege it has now, and up until the mid to late 00's, it was rare for foreign talents to move to England, with Italy and Spain being much preferred destinations. So building a team that could challenge the top italian and spanish clubs was much more challenging. Right now PSG faces a similar problem, since it's hard to attract prime talents to Ligue 1... and that's considering that they can actually print money too, unlike SAF's Utd.

Also, Fergie won it twice in 20, not 30.

Up until the late 90s, only league winners could participate in the CL. And also, there was a 5 year UEFA ban on enlish clubs due to the Haysel disaster. So SAF only got his first CL experience in 93.

Guardiola has 3 in 15, which is indeed a better record (still not overwhelmingly better), but again, consider the circumstances I explained in the other post, which make conditions much more favourable for the spanish manager.

inter and porto ucl win is still the most impressive imo

speaking of which citeh were in the 3rd division during the Treble season. the only reason citeh won the unlimited transfer budget lottery in 08 is because they were in the same city as Manchester United and the oil sheikhs figured it would help with marketing. bandwagoners always are good for a laugh

Meh even though I don't agree with everything Loiter is saying. Pep is GOAT candidate when it comes to managers. How we feel about city doesn't matter. Yes he spends money and hasnt had to suffer like many managers did but this was achieved due to his football philosophy, the teams threw money at him it is not his fault and eventually ended up at City. I personally hope he comes to Italian football to lift this type of positive attractive football as that is the league that has my passion from the 90s. That said, you cannot talk of Pep and Fergie without mentioning Ancelotti. He is a phenomenal manager and has taken a whole range of jobs. Not the best football per say but the way he reinvented pirlo from a striker to arguable the creator of the deeplying playmaker and of course his achievements in domestic league and campions league is unmatched.