Quote (DCEVO @ May 5 2023 06:32pm)
What is John 12:23 Jesus replied, “The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified. 24 Very truly I tell you, unless a kernel of wheat falls to the ground and dies, it remains only a single seed. But if it dies, it produces many seeds. 25 Anyone who loves their life will lose it, while anyone who hates their life in this world will keep it for eternal life."
saying?
It's saying that you'll lose your old life of unrighteousness (Born again as Gods child). To hate your life is to hate the current world systems and things of the flesh.
That is by way of the empowerment of the Holy Spirit. Once you're saved you're sanctified (set apart for god, what people call innitial sanctification among other things) and Jesus' righteousness is credited to you. God works in us throughout the rest of our lives to become more like Jesus until we're with Him in glory (what is usually called progressive sanctification).
The important thing is the pattern of a saved person's life is moving away from sin and toward holiness. There can be "backsliding" where the saved man begins to sin more or not act and speak in righteousness, but nobody will snatch us from His hand and God will discipline the ones he loves back into the way of righteousness.
The losing of life came to me by way of conviction from the Holy Spirit. I started hating things I was doing (drugs porn etc), though it was not easy to stop doing them as the flesh wages war with the spirit. The important thing is I finally realized they were wrong as I have the Holy Spirit and the mind of Christ (see 1 Co below), so I started working to remove them from my life (and am still working on things, of course, as we'll not be perfect until He returns).
1 corinthians 2:14-16
The person without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God but considers them foolishness, and cannot understand them because they are discerned only through the Spirit. 15 The person with the Spirit makes judgments about all things, but such a person is not subject to merely human judgments, 16 for,
“Who has known the mind of the Lord
so as to instruct him?”
But we have the mind of Christ.It sounds like you have a lot of the questions and anxieties I had, and the above (and similar verses) are actually quite comforting when you think about them. If you consider the things of God true and righteous rather than "foolishness", you can be sure you're on the right track and discerning things by the Holy Spirit. And the Holy Spirit is our security!
2 corinthians 5:5
Now it is God who has made us for this very purpose and has given us the Spirit as a deposit, guaranteeing what is to come.
The best way I've found to stay on track and participate in my sanctification is to stay in God's word. It helps me discern the things God wants and convicts me of my sin. I'm not sure if that is the part of the verse you were referring to. If not, let me know, but I hope this helped. You do not need to fear if you trust fully in what Christ did to save you. And as you understand more fully the magnitude of what He did, you begin to
want to do things in love in return.
It was not an overnight thing for me, and when I was saved I was extremely happy and joyous, but as I continued to read the epistles I became terrified that I wasn't "good enough", but the "good" comes more and more as you stay in and trust God's word, often without even trying on our end. And if the saved person hasnt yet "cleaned everything up" in their life and were to die this moment, they will still have Christ's righteousness in God's eyes.