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Jul 23 2026 03:05pm
I'm still waiting for you to explain what you mean by fake. What does it mean for Christianity to be fake?

"Christianity being fake means _____________"

Please fill in the blank.


Christianity being fake means... its not based in reality. Aka magic, dragons, cherubim, leviathans, heaven hell etc.
These are fairytale creatures you would find in a fiction section of a library....

Do we reclassify all fiction as possibly true because we don't know 100% if they don't exist? Rediculous.



https://imgur.com/LzRFVYW.jpeg

This is a strawman. Quite a ridiculous one at that.

You know that for the most part they aren't proud of ignoring evidence, they think they have evidence. You are intentionally misrepresenting their views to make them easier to attack.

Why not just contend with their actual positions rather than share these moronic memes?


They don't ignore evidence lol? What do you think christian apologetics do all day? They ignore anything from evolution to cosmology which goes against their narrative. You cannot squeeze proof out of them because they have none

Here watch them ignore this.


Evidence of the crime, a crime that is labeled and considered evil by the courts. It is not a crime because of our society preferences it is a crime because of what it is and you refuse to call it what it is.

This has nothing to do with preference.

You are still tip toeing around this concept and it's very concerning why you avoid this subject.


What makes anything a crime? How did the courts decided what should be a crime in a first place? We have new laws being passed and old ones changed every day why do you think that is?

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Jul 23 2026 03:21pm
Christianity being fake its not based in reality. Aka magic, dragons, cherubim, leviathans, heaven hell etc.
These are fairytale creatures you would find in a fiction section of a library....

Do we declassify all fiction as possibly true because we don't know 100% if they don't exist? Rediculous.





They don't ignore evidence lol? What do you think christian apologetics do all day? They ignore anything from evolution to cosmology which goes against their narrative. You cannot squeeze proof out of them because they have none

Here watch them ignore this.
https://imgur.com/6GwQjUx.jpeg


11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

In ancient Hebrew, the word used to categorize these animals is 'owph, which translates generally to "winged or flying creatures" rather than the modern scientific definition of a "bird."

Facebook memes continue to fail, bit you typically resort to more memes when you've decided to ignore all the points you can't argue against.
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Jul 23 2026 03:54pm
11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: the eagle, the vulture, the black vulture, 13 the red kite, the black kite, any kind of falcon, 14 any kind of raven, 15 the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, any kind of hawk, 16 the little owl, the great owl, the white owl, 17 the desert owl, the osprey, the cormorant, 18 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe and the bat.

In ancient Hebrew, the word used to categorize these animals is 'owph, which translates generally to "winged or flying creatures" rather than the modern scientific definition of a "bird."

Facebook memes continue to fail, bit you typically resort to more memes when you've decided to ignore all the points you can't argue against.


In Deuteronomy 14:11 the bible uses word ṣip·pō·wr (צִפּ֥וֹר) NOT "owph" which clearly means birds not bats. You are using a different word from a different passage Fail try again
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Jul 23 2026 06:48pm
In Deuteronomy 14:11 the bible uses word ṣip·pō·wr (צִפּ֥וֹר) NOT "owph" which clearly means birds not bats. You are using a different word from a different passage Fail try again


You're right, verse 11 references that word, but we weren't talking about just verse 11. Your incorrect meme referenced 11 through 18. Why would you post a bat about verses 11 THROUGH 18 and then try to correct me on just the first verse?

What about the verses that discuss owph or tsippor?

Your lack of understanding is unbearable. Taking verses out of context will continue to demonstrate failure from your end. God remains true yesterday, today and forever and people like you continue to strengthen the gospel.
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Jul 23 2026 07:02pm
You're right, verse 11 references that word, but we weren't talking about just verse 11. Your incorrect meme referenced 11 through 18. Why would you post a bat about verses 11 THROUGH 18 and then try to correct me on just the first verse?

What about the verses that discuss owph or tsippor?

Your lack of understanding is unbearable. Taking verses out of context will continue to demonstrate failure from your end. God remains true yesterday, today and forever and people like you continue to strengthen the gospel.


Where in deuteronomy 14:11-18 do you see owph? I gave you the word that was actually used not what your imagine it says (this might be a good reason to see a optometrist)
Another fail

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Where in deuteronomy 14:11-18 do you see owph? I gave you the word that was actually used not what your imagine it says
Another fail


The original Hebrew language/text..... all translation come from the root of the original text, where these words are used.

Can't really see where I failed vs your flawed modern nonsense vs ancient text.
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Jul 23 2026 07:28pm
11 You may eat any clean bird. 12 But these you may not eat: ...the hoopoe...

I'm guessing you're not a bird specialist, much less in historic, regional bird consumption practices, but I hoopoe you don't mind me sharing a bit about the hoopoe.... It's an attractive, eye catching bird (with a fun name, too, in multiple languages from the Spanish abubilla to the Arabic hudhud or Latin upupa), so I thought, who would eat a hoopoe? If you're starving, sure eat what you can, but why include it by name in a biblical list of haram birds?

Wikipedia tells me it's been used, maybe still is used variously for medicinal and fictional reasons - like getting rid of djinn - , and has folk history to ancient Egypt or earlier, widespread to several cultures and religions; it's also the national bird of Israel. Apparently they have nasty nests, and eat bugs, naturally; but they're also said to have played a key role in helping King Solomon build "The First Temple" in Jerusalem. It's curious that a bird that helped Judaism in that way would be listed among "detestable" birds.

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The original Hebrew language/text..... all translation come from the root of the original text, where these words are used.

Can't really see where I failed vs your flawed modern nonsense vs ancient text.


I am quoting you a hebrew (NOT modern english) word from the bible that was used specifically in the Deuteronomy 14:11-18

Here directly from a christian website that examines the root hewbrew word https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6833.htm
https://studybible.info/strongs/H6833

You are confusing some other passage and some other word to the one used here.

Translation and etymology of (צִפּוֹר)
Root: The word is derived from the verb צָּפַר (tsaphar), which means "to depart," "to fly away," or "to hop."
The Aramaic cognate צִפְרָא (tsipra) also means "bird" (seen in Daniel 4).
The noun צִפָּרָה (tzipporah) is the feminine form meaning "bird" and is the origin of the name Zipporah, wife of Moses.
The noun צִפָּרִים (tzipporim) is the plural form

Stop ignoring the evidence bat is not a bird. Mental gymnastics isn't going to save you here.

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I'm guessing you're not a bird specialist, much less in historic, regional bird consumption practices, but I hoopoe you don't mind me sharing a bit about the hoopoe.... It's an attractive, eye catching bird (with a fun name, too, in multiple languages from the Spanish abubilla to the Arabic hudhud or Latin upupa), so I thought, who would eat a hoopoe? If you're starving, sure eat what you can, but why include it by name in a biblical list of haram birds?

Wikipedia tells me it's been used, maybe still is used variously for medicinal and fictional reasons - like getting rid of djinn - , and has folk history to ancient Egypt or earlier, widespread to several cultures and religions; it's also the national bird of Israel. Apparently they have nasty nests, and eat bugs, naturally; but they're also said to have played a key role in helping King Solomon build "The First Temple" in Jerusalem. It's curious that a bird that helped Judaism in that way would be listed among "detestable" birds.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/69/Hoopoe_de.jpg/1280px-Hoopoe_de.jpg


Says I'm not a bird expert then pastes information about a bird claiming to be a bird specialist when a bird specialist wouldn't need wiki to gather information about said bird lol.

You just aren't consistent.

addone: posts incorrect meme, gets corrected with original hebrew meaning, uses a hebrew word about verse 11 that isn't in the translation I posted, then I correct again and post the other words from the hebrew meaning, then you say I'm using words not in the text I posted right after you did the same thing, then you post information about one of the birds listed adding nothing to the original point I made when I corrected your meme.

Lol, how do you now exhaust yourself living a life of inconsistencies and constant copy and paste of other people's arguments?
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I am quoting you a hebrew (NOT modern english) word from the bible that was used specifically in the Deuteronomy 14:11-18

Here directly from a christian website that examines the root hewbrew word https://biblehub.com/hebrew/6833.htm
https://studybible.info/strongs/H6833

You are confusing some other passage and some other word to the one used here.

Translation and etymology of (צִפּוֹר)
Root: The word is derived from the verb צָּפַר (tsaphar), which means "to depart," "to fly away," or "to hop."
The Aramaic cognate צִפְרָא (tsipra) also means "bird" (seen in Daniel 4).
The noun צִפָּרָה (tzipporah) is the feminine form meaning "bird" and is the origin of the name Zipporah, wife of Moses.
The noun צִפָּרִים (tzipporim) is the plural form

Stop ignoring the evidence bat is not a bird. Mental gymnastics isn't going to save you here.


Bat, bird, both winged creatures referenced from original hebrew text. Maybe if I lay it all side by side it might help you.

Verse 11Hebrew: כָּל־צִפֹּ֥ור טְהֹורָ֖ה תֹּאכֵֽלוּ׃
English: You may eat any clean bird.

12Hebrew: וְזֶ֕ה אֲשֶׁ֥ר לֹא־תֹאכְל֖וּ מֵהֶ֑ם הַנֶּ֥שֶׁר וְהַפֶּ֖רֶס וְהָעָזְנִיָּֽה׃
English: But these you may not eat from them: the eagle, the vulture, and the black vulture,

13Hebrew: וְהָרָאָה֙ וְאֶת־הָאַיָּ֔ה וְהַדַּיָּ֖ה לְמִינָֽהּ׃
English: the red kite, the falcon, and any kind of kite,

14Hebrew: וְאֵ֥ת כָּל־עֹרֵ֖ב לְמִינֹֽו׃
English: and any kind of raven,

15Hebrew: וְאֵת֙ בַּ֣ת הַיַּעֲנָ֔ה וְאֶת־הַתַּחְמָ֖ס וְאֶת־הַשָּׁ֑חַף וְאֶת־הַנֵּ֖ץ לְמִינֵֽהוּ׃
English: the horned owl, the screech owl, the gull, and any kind of hawk,

16Hebrew: אֶת־הַכּ֥וֹס וְאֶת־הַיַּנְשׁ֖וּף וְהַתִּנְשָֽׁמֶת׃
English: the little owl, the great owl, the white owl,

17Hebrew: וְהַקָּאָ֥ת וְאֶת־הָרָחָ֖מָה וְאֶת־הַשָּׁלָֽךְ׃
English: the desert owl, the osprey, and the cormorant,

18Hebrew: וְהַחֲסִידָ֥ה וְהָאֲנָפָ֖ה לְמִינָ֑הּ וְהַדּוּכִיפַ֖ת וְהָעֲטַלֵּֽף׃
English: the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe, and the bat.

Where ṣip·pō·wr / sippor is used: This word is used at the very beginning and the very end of the bird section to frame the list of what you can eat.

Deuteronomy 14:11Hebrew: כָּל־צִפֹּ֥ור טְהֹורָ֖ה תֹּאכֵֽלוּ׃
Transliteration: Kol-tsippor tehorah tochelu.Translation: "You may eat any clean bird.

"Deuteronomy 14:20Hebrew: כָּל־צִפֹּ֥ור טְהֹורָ֖ה תֹּאכֵֽלוּ׃
Transliteration: Kol-tsippor tehorah tochelu.
Translation: "You may eat any clean winged creature / bird.

"2. Where ’owph is used:This word (עוֹף) is used right after the list of birds ends, specifically to transition into the rules about swarming, winged insects.

Deuteronomy 14:19Hebrew: וְכֹל֙ שֶׁ֣רֶץ הָעֹ֔וף טָמֵ֥א ה֖וּא לָכֶ֑ם לֹ֥א יֵאָכֵֽלוּ׃
Transliteration: Ve'chol sherets ha-'owph tamei hu lachem lo ye'achelu.
Translation: "And all creeping things of the air / that fly are unclean to you; they shall not be eaten."

In the Genesis creation story, the word ’owph (עוֹף) is used broadly to describe all winged life flying across the sky. The context of Genesis firmly establishes that ’owph simply means "sky-flyer." Because Genesis 1:20 explicitly sets their domain as the "open expanse of the sky," any creature that naturally inhabited that space—including the bats and insects mentioned later in Deuteronomy 14—fell under the umbrella of ’owph right from the beginning of biblical history.

You trying to say a bat is a mammal has nothing to do with the original text and causes your Facebook meme to fail and the truth of the bible remain.
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