Pootin vs Ukraine has lasted longer than world war one. And you continue to falsely claim Ukraine is getting hammered. So what? Russia is not gaining actual ground control.


Lol. Getting crushed, the pootin troll says. Meanwhile, in over four years Moscow still only controls 20% of Ukraine. The far east....

This post was edited by said_aouita on Jul 23 2026 04:30pm

Zelensky gave a sit down interview with...
with...
laura loomer...

sigh

From a western POV, as long as this war continues and Russia bleeds and is weakened and hopefully exhausted then that is a net good. Whether Ukraine just loses Donetsk going forward or ends up losing 3 more oblasts behind it and 2 million - 3 million more or every adult male is of secondary importance.

In that sense, the west is winning. I do think to some extent that Russia is moving into pyrrhic victory territory. Sure they will end up with 20-25% maybe more of Ukraine but they would have paid a significant price for it in gold and lives. Even with a win i think they've strained themselves. But Russians have an unmatched tolerance for suffering so in the long term it's consistent with their history.

Personally i do not view this from a lens what's best for us in the US is good, we've discussed how in reality the focus should be on China and these side challenges incrementally actually weaken and exhaust us. As someone that was born in eastern Europe has been to Ukraine, is married to an Ukrainian has kids that have significant Ukrainian blood, what most bothers me is the little regard for the human lives. Not by the Russians but by the western backers that will fund this and push this year after year with no tangible benefit to Ukraine. Year after passing year, more dead, more destroyed cities, more left the country, more broken families, more Ukrainian women in Berlin brothels, more damage to the economy and infrastructure to a country that was already the poorest in Europe pre-war. So if that's the outcome at year end then why continue to push for conditions that will continue this? It could have been settled 3 years ago, it could have never started if we didn't fund and orchestrate a coup. I hope one day there's a reckoning for these people in halls of power that treat these lives like they were nothing. The same people that only care about profit and power at the expense of millions. If there's a God that day of reckoning will surely come, i just hope it doesn't touch the innocent in those countries whether it's Russia, US, UK & many others.

I mean that's exactly the problem I've said since the start, China is our only geopolitical rival and we're weakening our own world position while aligning the rest of the world against us. Obama ran for president on a promise of resetting relations with Russia in his 2nd term and making fun of Romney for being hostile to Russia. Yet here we are, bleeding our own economies, losing critical access to food and energy for the next few decades, while India and Russia and China are all working together economically and have now circumvented the petrodollar. Joe Biden couldn't have fucked this up more if he wanted to.

I'm not particularly concerned for Ukraine or its people or expats or their human lives. The world is a big place and I'm concerned for American interests, and I say this as someone who knows people involved in the Ukraine war on our side. Its easy to point out how this wasn't in the human interests of Ukrainians, how ultranationalists were driving them into a stupid conflict that would bring far more woe to the cossacks than if they had just continued being neglected by Russia. Frankly, all of that is for Ukrainians to figure out, not for us to say what's best for them. There are plenty of people suffering even more than Ukrainians are, like the Sudanese, and the global response hasn't been a massive deployment or mobilization, its just a collective 'fuck em, let them rot'.

We owe this war to the ultranationalists from the Maidan and their western backers who infiltrated western governments to push the agenda and get the CIA on board, the likes of Eric Ciaramella, trying to manipulate internal US politics to pursue their misguided geopolitical agenda. With no regard to our own interests. Well, it was patently obvious back then how profoundly stupid this was geopolitically and now everything we predicted has come to pass. We're giving Russia a hiccup to their economy while setting 70% of the world against us. Its not the cold war, Russia isn't our biggest enemy, their loss is not our gain. We've got people on reddit posting videos of Russians getting blown up by drones and cheering as if that somehow improves our lives.

Aren't you contradicting yourself here, at least a little bit? Russia is a vast, sparsely populated country with plenty of arable land if necessary; they depend less on Ukraine as a breadbasket than the densely populated EU. And yes, the bulk of Ukraine's particularly fertile soils and farming regions lie in what you like to call "the destitute western half" of the country; the parts which would belong to rump-Ukraine in any conceivable peace deal.

Likewise, the EU, the self-proclaimed "moral superpower" (lmao), is surely more interested in the role Ukraine serves in supplying Africa with grain than Russia is, a country with a long history of not giving a fuck about the lives of its own citizens, let alone anyone else's.

One can make an economic case for this war from Russia's pov by arguing that the rare earths in the Donbass are of utmost geostrategic importance (remains to be seen, but plausible enough), but the farmland surely doesn't justify the all effort and death toll Russia has taken on to bring Ukraine back into their fold.



Depends on if the seller is okay with a 30-50% chance of not surviving the first year on the frontline.

It would be interesting to know the source of such information, especially considering that the official losses of the AFU are only about 50,000 killed, according to Zelenskyy

Fair enough, maybe my perception is still influenced by the battle for Bakhmut with its "meatwave attacks" and such. That being said, Russia hasn't been shy to send its deplorables and proxy forces to the meat grinder: Wagner mercenaries, Chechens, hicks from the far east, African and Indian mercenaries, North Koreans, etc. The death toll among those groups is surely far higher than among trained soldiers from the proper Russian military.

Well, you can just calculate it yourself: the initial invasion force plus the mobilized in 2022, minus 30-50%, then 50,000 per month in 2023, minus 30-50%, and so on, year after year. Divide that by Ukraine's claimed ratio of 6 to 1, and you get that even by the "official" numbers, Zelenskyy is underestimating AFU losses by several times. That means either that 30-50% figure for those who don't survive the year is exaggerated, or Ukraine's losses are vastly understated. Either way, Zelenskyy is lying. So smile and watch the video of him playing the piano with his schlong, or dancing in latex. What else do you expect from a clown?

This post was edited by Norlander on Jul 24 2026 06:30am

Well you still need someone to farm that arable land. Short of exterminating the local cossacks and replacing them, Russia would have great difficulty tapping the fields of west Ukraine, unlike their ethnic slavs farming east ukraine. There's no doubt the eastern half of Ukraine is simply richer in natural resources, its why it was more developed and populated and Putin already got the prime cuts of this steak, he doesn't need to chew the gristle. And its not like the EU actually cares about what's going on in Africa, or they wouldn't have ceded their influence in the continent from being colonizers to now letting Russia and China run the entire show while genocides unfurl every few years. How many rallies occur in EU capitols over the Sudanese war?

Just from a strategic map I think it makes sense from Russia's desire for natural resources and a buffer against NATO, and an unwillingness to occupy a hostile land by force and be bled out indefinitely, that they would want the DPR/LPR/Crimea but not have any real designs on west ukraine. And since day 1, we've just had to explain that in spite of Russia's attempt to decapitate Kyiv and take full control of the country, because that makes sense if Putin understood the costs of a long term war and hoped to avoid it with his abortive blitzkrieg.

The big unknown I've laid out a few times is- would Russia have been willing to cede more of eastern europe to NATO encroachment and absorption into the EU, if it had been done peacefully and democratically? If the people of Ukraine had reached that critical support for the EU and willingly joined them, would Putin still have been willing to use force to retain them. Not necessarily by invasion at first, perhaps by subverting their democracy, trying to control their politics, maybe domestic repression, maybe full blown invasion. I don't know how far Putin would go to hold onto the Ukrainian people if all the Ukrainian people were against him. But that never happened, so we don't know. Instead it was a minority in the west who tried to seize the whole of Ukraine and deliver it to the EU, so Putin had his own 'moral superpower' justification to secure the separatist regions. Instead of a gradual shift to the EU, Ukraine was a polarized society riven by civil war. And now all those fertile lands and mines and industry are back behind the iron curtain in body and mind.

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 24 2026 11:45am