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Jul 23 2026 10:10am


Posting random unrelated videos will not help you win back an argument you already lost so badly.

My personal advice is to take a breather and come back with fresh ideas.

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Jul 23 2026 10:12am

Literally top comment to this article. Stop embarrassing yourself. It’s getting pathetic.




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Jul 23 2026 12:31pm
Zelensky gave a speech today saying Ukraine's two paths forward for this winter are either a peace deal or major escalation and mobilization. TCC probably prepping for taking all the 18-25 males not yet drafted, though at this point thats true blood from a stone since anyone who could, already fled. He said the winter is expected to be much rougher with the black sea now blockaded

So yeah Ukraine is now fully cut off from its maritime grain exports and weapon imports. Its up to land shipping from the EU to resupply.
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Jul 23 2026 12:43pm
Zelensky gave a speech today saying Ukraine's two paths forward for this winter are either a peace deal or major escalation and mobilization. TCC probably prepping for taking all the 18-25 males not yet drafted, though at this point thats true blood from a stone since anyone who could, already fled. He said the winter is expected to be much rougher with the black sea now blockaded

So yeah Ukraine is now fully cut off from its maritime grain exports and weapon imports. Its up to land shipping from the EU to resupply.


Mobilization has never actually ceased, since martial law has not been lifted. The so-called "40-day plan" to force Russia into a peace deal, as we are already seeing, consists of bombing civilian infrastructure that has even minimal military relevance. We should expect attacks on various attributes of normal civilian life- if such a thing is still possible, at least by the standards of Hottentot morality. Apparently, shopping centers like Mega (i.e., IKEA) will be among the targets.
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Jul 23 2026 01:17pm
Zelensky gave a speech today saying Ukraine's two paths forward for this winter are either a peace deal or major escalation and mobilization. TCC probably prepping for taking all the 18-25 males not yet drafted, though at this point thats true blood from a stone since anyone who could, already fled. He said the winter is expected to be much rougher with the black sea now blockaded

So yeah Ukraine is now fully cut off from its maritime grain exports and weapon imports. Its up to land shipping from the EU to resupply.


There is no way that Ukraine will go for a peace deal. Also Russia has spent the last 5 years and more looking for a negotiated solution, that time is over.
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Jul 23 2026 01:27pm
Mobilization has never actually ceased, since martial law has not been lifted. The so-called "40-day plan" to force Russia into a peace deal, as we are already seeing, consists of bombing civilian infrastructure that has even minimal military relevance. We should expect attacks on various attributes of normal civilian life- if such a thing is still possible, at least by the standards of Hottentot morality. Apparently, shopping centers like Mega (i.e., IKEA) will be among the targets.


Well the bigger problem with the civilian infrastructure bombing campaign is that Ukraine doesn't have the arms to hit every target, so now they've lifted their campaign against gas stations and refineries and Russia is rapidly recovering from shortages. Ukraine can escalate but it can't follow through. Its how the invasion of Russia fell apart, they had a bargaining chip for a while and then lost it to the war of attrition. They can't keep jumping from strategy to strategy half hearted and failing entirely and giving up while searching for their new silver bullet. The Russian oil exports are still strong to India and China, with weekly exports down 25% to China from this disruption and the Caspian terminal pause, but China surging its Q4 contracts for crude, India still unaffected. Overall to Russia its a hiccup. Meanwhile Ukrainian shipping at Odessa is 100% stopped. Not a single vessel is passing through and there's no sign the blockade will be lifted, something we haven't seen since the original crisis before the grain treaty, which itself expired years ago and resulted in this uneasy black sea ceasefire, until now.

Looking at the fragility of Ukraine right now, with high level government turmoil, no elections in years, protests against the TCC and a clearly losing war- attempting to mobilize 18-25 year olds could easily be the straw that breaks the camel's back. There would be both a lack of enough young people to make the difference now that so many have fled, and such a severe backlash from the public it would tear apart the country. People already hate the TCC, having them come for the few kids who are left might spark popular unrest and end the war.

There is no way that Ukraine will go for a peace deal. Also Russia has spent the last 5 years and more looking for a negotiated solution, that time is over.


Well its Zelenksy's words not mine
We're in a time of unstoppable forces meeting immovable objects, something has to give. The war is ripe with ratcheting pressures and desperations that seem impossible to reconcile, its an inevitability they must be relieved or burst. Zelensky is meeting with Witkoff and Kushner on a peace deal, Rubio is meeting with Lavrov. The worse this gets for Ukraine, the less Russia is offering, and now Russia is no longer willing to agree to the same generous land swap terms it offered last round of negotiations because Putin is confident about reconquering the DPR by force.

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NAFO bot shows his true colors again SMH


Lol

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aixEoJ47zVs




Ukraine is getting hammered for over 4 years. Every single day we can post FAB or missile strikes or Ukrainian targets on fire.

That you don't even realize how pathetic your posts are is telling.
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Jul 23 2026 01:45pm
The dumbest fucking part of this war is how any dispassionate observer could accurately predict the outcome (if not timeline) at every stage of it.

Ukraine is Russia's backyard, and the west doesn't care that much and certainly doesn't want extra mouths to feed. Russia has a reason to fight for its bread basket and mining, NATO has consistently exploited and betrayed its proxy fighters. So when Ukrainian nationalists hungered for a war to seize control of their country from the Russian sphere of influence, the commentators with a brain said Russia would not let it happen. Fast forward years and Ukraine had some bargaining chips in land still occupied in the separatist regions and an invasion of Russian border land. And we could say it was a prime opportunity to negotiate a peace deal with land swaps because Ukraine was poised to lose their ground in a war of attrition, while Russia would rather peacefully regain ground than need to expend blood and treasure. We said that a hundred pages ago in this thread. Fast forward years and Ukraine has lost its bargaining chips and Russia is grinding away at the last 3 strongholds in the DPR with a steadily advancing offensive, the UA government is in disarray, signs of unrest are forming in the streets. It doesn't take nostradamus to predict that things will get worse before they get better.

What happens if we're still in this thread a year from now and Russia has just retaken the last pockets of resistance in Kramatorsk, Sloviansk and Druzhkivka. Do we really think that a year from now, or however long it takes, Ukraine is going to be in a better position than right now as they're losing Kostiantnyivka?
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Ukraine is getting hammered for over 4 years. Every single day we can post FAB or missile strikes or Ukrainian targets on fire.

That you don't even realize how pathetic your posts are is telling.


Over four years. Yawn. Pootin is losing. Admit it.
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Jul 23 2026 04:05pm
Well the bigger problem with the civilian infrastructure bombing campaign is that Ukraine doesn't have the arms to hit every target, so now they've lifted their campaign against gas stations and refineries and Russia is rapidly recovering from shortages. Ukraine can escalate but it can't follow through. Its how the invasion of Russia fell apart, they had a bargaining chip for a while and then lost it to the war of attrition. They can't keep jumping from strategy to strategy half hearted and failing entirely and giving up while searching for their new silver bullet. The Russian oil exports are still strong to India and China, with weekly exports down 25% to China from this disruption and the Caspian terminal pause, but China surging its Q4 contracts for crude, India still unaffected. Overall to Russia its a hiccup. Meanwhile Ukrainian shipping at Odessa is 100% stopped. Not a single vessel is passing through and there's no sign the blockade will be lifted, something we haven't seen since the original crisis before the grain treaty, which itself expired years ago and resulted in this uneasy black sea ceasefire, until now.

Looking at the fragility of Ukraine right now, with high level government turmoil, no elections in years, protests against the TCC and a clearly losing war- attempting to mobilize 18-25 year olds could easily be the straw that breaks the camel's back. There would be both a lack of enough young people to make the difference now that so many have fled, and such a severe backlash from the public it would tear apart the country. People already hate the TCC, having them come for the few kids who are left might spark popular unrest and end the war.



Well its Zelenksy's words not mine
We're in a time of unstoppable forces meeting immovable objects, something has to give. The war is ripe with ratcheting pressures and desperations that seem impossible to reconcile, its an inevitability they must be relieved or burst. Zelensky is meeting with Witkoff and Kushner on a peace deal, Rubio is meeting with Lavrov. The worse this gets for Ukraine, the less Russia is offering, and now Russia is no longer willing to agree to the same generous land swap terms it offered last round of negotiations because Putin is confident about reconquering the DPR by force.


Ye I know but its simply a narrative. There is simply no evidence that Ukraine honestly wants a peace deal. Ukraine (its Government, its ruling body, its people) wants all of its land back (inc Crimea) and it has gone down this path so far it can not take a different turn - it missed the exit 4 years ago. Yes it can turn now, but it missed the beach and we dont know where it is going to arrive at now, whether it goes straight, left or right. No one knows.

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