Ferida, you are completely missing the distinction between a one-sided, tragic military failure and a premeditated execution.
You just laid out the timeline yourself, and it actually disproves your 'execution movie plot' narrative. Let’s look at the facts directly:
1. The 'Firefight' Context
When I used the term 'firefight,' I was referring to the broader tactical environment. As the timeline shows, earlier that morning, a Hamas police vehicle had just been targeted, and a firefight had occurred in that exact sector. The IDF soldiers were on high alert on that sandbank precisely because it was an active, hostile zone.
When the rescue convoy arrived, the soldiers catastrophically misidentified them as a threat. Yes, it was completely one-sided. Yes, the medics were unarmed. No one is disputing that. But a one-sided engagement where nervous, highly amped soldiers open fire from a distance because of a terrible command decision is a tragic operational failure it is not a 'lining people up against a wall' execution.
2. The Close-Range Ballistics and the Survivors
You are weaponizing the 'close-range' audio analysis to claim an execution, but you are completely ignoring the physical reality of how soldiers clear a scene:
* The Clearance Phase: When soldiers move down from a sandbank to secure a vehicle they just shot at, they are trained to 'neutralize threats' as they approach. If they see movement inside a darkened vehicle, or someone reaching down, they fire. In a high-stress clearance, shots are fired from 1 to 4 meters away to ensure the vehicle is secure. That is a brutal reality of urban warfare clearance protocols, not a summary execution of detainees.
* The Living Evidence: If the goal was a ruthless, systematic execution to wipe out witnesses, why did Asaad al-Nassasra and Munther Abed survive? Asaad al-Nassasra took cover and escaped while the soldiers were moving through. Munther Abed was physically pulled out alive, bound for interrogation, and released. If this were a movie-style execution squad, they wouldn't leave witnesses behind to talk to the media.
3. The Vehicles and the Burial
You keep acting like pushing vehicles into the dirt is proof of a conspiracy. In urban combat, clearing blocked routes is standard engineering protocol. Armored D9 bulldozers push wreckage off the road into sand berms so military transport can move.
As for the bodies, the IDF explicitly stated they gathered the remains and covered them with sand to protect them from the elements and wild dogs, and immediately sent the exact GPS coordinates to the UN so they could be retrieved. If you are trying to hide a mass grave and cover up a crime, you don't hand the UN a map with the exact coordinates to find the bodies and the phones.
4. The Institutional Accountability
You say the IDF 'lied' at first. The IDF admitted their initial report which relied on the panicked accounts of the soldiers on the ground was wrong once the video evidence came to light. They didn't double down; they admitted the error, dismissed the deputy battalion commander, and faced massive internal scrutiny.
There is a massive difference between a devastating, catastrophic command failure in a fog-of-war environment and a scripted war crime. The IDF investigated it, punished a commander, and acknowledged the tragedy. You want to turn a terrible military error into a cinematic conspiracy, but the actual logistics of the event just don't support it.

Yea, Genocide where population grows😂😂

Let me lay it all out. At no point do YOU provide details for any of these things, I have to go dig it up, and the more I dig, the worse it looks.

1. ~3:52 AM : First Attack: IDF shelling wounds Palestinians in Rafah. A Red Crescent Ambulance is sent to rescue them. The IDF fires on the ambulance. Two medics killed. One survives, is detained, beaten, interrogated. None of the individuals killed or beaten are declared by the IDF to be Hamas Terrorists.

The UN found that Israel has perpetrated a "concerted policy to destroy Gaza's healthcare system" with "deliberate attacks on medical personnel and facilities" . The UN Commission concluded these attacks constitute war crimes and crimes against humanity. The PRCS president stated directly that "the Red Crescent emblem, which should be protected under international law, is being targeted instead". He emphasized: "More and more Red Cross and Red Crescent people are being targeted. A humanitarian worker who served in Gaza wrote that "the attack that killed them was not an aberration... It was an extension of Israel's spiralling strategy of targeted violence against healthcare and humanitarian workers" . He noted that since October 2023, over 1,400 medical personnel have been killed in Gaza. Euro-Med Monitor reported that the massacre of 15 first responders was part of a "systematic campaign to destroy the Gaza Strip's health and relief infrastructure". So we have first responders, WHO KNOW that wearing their uniform makes them a target of the IDF.

2. ~4:39 AM : Now the IDF KNOWS that it is standard procedure for The Red Crescent that, upon losing contact with the first ambulance, will send help. A convoy of 5 Ambulances and a Fire Engine, and a UN representative make their way to the 1st Ambulance. All clearly marked, lights on, uniforms on. This is monitored by the IDF. The IDF knows what it is looking at. Your argument is it does not know. I think you said fog of war. The order is given by the commander, Yehuda Vach, to shoot everyone.

So I went and wiki'd him : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yehuda_Vach

This is the same commander that ordered his men to shoot at Palestinians at the food stations, and set up a kill zone to kill civilians in Gaza city. Soon after taking command of 252 Division in July 2024, he reportedly instructed his officers that "there are no innocents in Gaza", echoing President Isaac Herzog's assertion that the "entire nation" of Palestinians was responsible for October 7 and that there were no civilians in Gaza "not involved". This became operational doctrine under Vach, meaning "everyone's a terrorist", which effectively allowed his soldiers permission to kill any Palestinian at will.

Your fog of war is becoming pretty clear to me. You did not like the term "executed" which was a term I used. I did not fully understand why you did not like that term. I initially meant, the IDF killed the Medic's at close range. I did not think it was premeditated. But you forced me to have a good look at what happened and now Yes, that is my belief. It was a premeditated assassination of Medic's, in keeping with that IDF Commanders military doctrine, which anyone can read all about in his Wiki. They attacked the first ambulance and then used it as bait for the convoy. They then fired on the convoy, then executed the survivors at close range, before throwing all the bodies in a mass grave. The IDF then crushed the vehicles and buried everything under the sand.

Help me understand this. Lets pretend I am Israeli. In the IDF. It is 5am, March, 2025, and I am with my fellow IDF soldiers. My commander has told me that every Palestinian is a member of Hamas. There are no innocents. There is an active IDF operation in the area, sure, we are that operation. The area has not been declared a red zone, but its super dangerous for civilians, because there are no civilians right? only terrorists. We get intel that a convoy is approaching - right on schedule. We have then in a kill box and the commander, used to killing civilians, gives the order, and, I follow the order? because soldiers follow orders. We then approach the ambulances and another order is given - kill them. So we do that. Because soldiers follow orders. We then dig a pit, we are used to that by now, because burying terrorists in mass graves is operating procedure, not the first time we dumped people into a mass grave and wont be the last time, and then we arrange for the ambulances to be crushed and buried under the sand with the dead bodies. What do we do now? high five?

so to circle all the way back, you dismissed this event as a Hoax. I did not want to go here, i did not want to know all this information but now i do. you said:



my response remains, if you want to dismiss an example i give (and this ambulances incident is just one of many!!) on the basis that the evidence fails, then honestly, pick a hill to stand on where there is no evidence, because this incident has so much evidence its impossible for you to justify what happened.

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I honestly do not understand why you would even invite me to find out more about this event. It goes back to what I said yesterday - Faith. You honestly do not see any issue with any of the above, and it did not matter what I would find because you already made up your mind to defend the IDF no matter what.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 10 2026 01:24pm

Acknowledging a brutal military failure is not the same as validating a movie-script conspiracy.
The Survivors Disprove an Execution: If this was a premeditated assassination squad meant to leave no witnesses, they wouldn’t have left Munther Abed and Asaad al-Nassasra alive to tell the media exactly what happened.
The GPS Coordinates Disprove a Cover-Up: You don't hide a 'secret mass grave' by immediately transmitting the exact GPS coordinates of the burial site to the UN. The sand burial was temporary battlefield management; the IDF handed the UN the map to recover the bodies and the phones.
Chaos vs. Cinema: Firing 900 rounds from a sandbank is a horrific, one-sided command failure under a aggressive doctrine but it is still a distance ambush, not a 'line them up and execute them' thriller plot.
I’m not defending Vach or the unit’s actions; it was a devastating tragedy. But a catastrophic military error in a war zone is still a completely different physical event than a coordinated execution plot.

To your point about how soldiers are supposed to act: You cannot expect troops in a live combat zone to treat a fast-approaching vehicle like a routine traffic stop.
1. Self-Defense: They are trained to neutralize perceived threats immediately, not ask questions first and risk a suicide vest or a grenade.
2. Clearance: Pumping close-range shots into a smoking vehicle while advancing is standard infantry clearance protocol, not an execution.
3. Restraints: Binding survivors on the spot is a non-negotiable security step until identities can be verified by intelligence officers later.
The tragedy here wasn't the aggressive tactics of the soldiers on the ground it was the massive command and intelligence breakdown that targeted an authorized convoy in the first place



This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 11 2026 09:58am

You forgot about 4.) Bury the evidence in an unmarked grave with bulldozers then repeatedly lie about it because you know... war crimes....

Yea hide the evidence and send Gps coordinates

When your hands get caught in the cookie jar it doesn't help to point out you're standing in the kitchen.

This post was edited by DocPhil on Jul 13 2026 11:37pm

It's a brutal war forced on us by a genocidal massacre of 1,200 civilians.
No one got 'caught.' The IDF itself investigated, admitted the operational error, and dismissed the commander. That is called military accountabilitysomething the terrorists we are fighting have never heard of.
It is incredibly easy for keyboard warriors who have never heard a siren, let alone stood in a live combat zone, to judge split-second tactical decisions from their couches. You have absolutely no idea what battlefield reality looks like, and the propaganda has completely warped your perspective

This post was edited by Many_Names on Jul 14 2026 04:18am

Murders 12 healthcare workers in cold blod, then orders the evidence burried. Get's fired and it's called accountability. Right.
Maybe stop occupying, murdering women and children and maybe the keyboard warriors will stop.
Another thing is this is the same military that can identify targets and hit single apartments, plant explosives in pagers, infiltrate iranian & syrian military and get high level positions and yet somehow has to flatten entire cities it borders up to and double tap strike hospitals and murder entire ambulance crews and call it "tactical mistakes" the same military that had to apparently block all aid from entering an already famished population and that has snipers that deliberately targets children and use their body parts as "target practice". I wonder what your defence of those snipers might be - did they have to take fast life and death decisions from their hideout and what was the accountability for shooting a 9 year old something kid in the face.
Remind me also again, what was the consequences of the six or so soldiers that raped a palestinian on camera compared to the israeli officer who shared the video with the world?

The death of the healthcare worker was unfortunate but many of their colleagues are Hamas, so its their own fault. As for the women and children, it is Hamas actions that put them in harms way, not the IDF. In the fog of battle mistakes happen. The Israeli war is a high intensity conflict, but this all started on Oct 7th, so you should be condemning the people of Gaza, and not the IDF, for all the deaths. Also the claim that the IDF sniped children is a UN lie. The UN and all of these anti-Israel establishments can not be trusted with the truth. Only Israel speaks the truth. If a prisoner gets hurt in a prison it his own fault. Maybe he should not do something to end up in prison in the first place.

there. done. easy. The problem with my above statement is that casual observers may think I actually believe this. well, it is what it is.



This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 14 2026 08:30am