They're not directly supplying the Russian army. If those tankers carried fuel directly to Russian warships than yes but this is clearly not the case. They are civilian vessels no question about it.

Ukraine is simply escalating out of desperation.


@bold
NAFO trolls like you claimed the Russians were out of ammo in 2022. They were pulling WW2 tanks from museums. Putin had Parkinson's and cancer you bots were posting pictures to prove it, lol. The Ukrainians were going to take back Crimea in 2023 (the greatest counteroffensive ever, failed to breach the first defensive line). The West donated at least a dozen "game changers" NATO wonder weapons that all failed. Do I need to go on?

I insist xD

To be fair, Putin did indeed look very unhealthy and reduced his public appearances during that time. I still believe that he really was sick at the time (not necessarily cancer or anything terminal).

And keep in mind that Ukraine did have a successful counteroffensive in the fall of 2022 during which they recaptured a lot of land from Russia. The idea that they would launch another successful counteroffensive the next spring, after another couple of months of Western arms supplies, wasn't particularly outlandish at that specific point in time. It was only during the summer of 2023, after the Ukrainian counteroffensive had fizzled out, that the situation on the ground turned really sour for Ukraine and they lost the initiative for the next 2.5 years.

I wish all the Putin supporters in here would get a chance to speak to exiled Russians and refugee Ukrainians.
Poland has both in large quantities - and if they would read your bs - I wonder if they be even taking you serious, it's that absurd.

I myself am intrigued by German style propaganda. Didn't they even have a ministry for that under Goebbels?
No wonder djunior is so convinced - it can hit him straight in his native tongue.

U r making your country proud lad, just a few more yrs and you can liberate Europe with the AFD in power.
I mean Putin's support to them is massive.

RT sais so - So it gotta be true!
Fascinating stuff! I'm sure it's not rly a question of intelligence.
But what makes people fall off the band wagon and go the other direction?

So, are there actually people here who back Putin and share RT, or are there just a bunch of poor sods pushing the NAFO narrative?

Can you point to anyone who shared an RT link or used a non-legacy-media source, among those you suspect of Kremlin ties, on a subforum with a couple dozen active users-people who traded propaganda that's available on a thousand times larger scale in Telegram channels and comment sections, just so they could rub the lost sheep's noses in their own shit?

This post was edited by Norlander on Jul 13 2026 01:39pm

Pretty bad argument because it assumes if we only speak to these people surely we would be for the war continuing. I've seen dozens of Ukrainian families come to the US city i live in, many joining the church i go to.

I am glad they are here, I'm glad the men got a chance to leave before being forcibly mobilized and leaving their kids as orphans. If it was up to me, even more would find a way here and not just the rich but the rest.

Funding the war, pumping Ukraine with weapons for 4-5 years now has not led to a better outcome for Ukrainians, it has led to an objectively worse outcome. How many dead, 6 figures easily, maybe even low 7 figures between both sides?

Have you critically thought about that the position of 'supporting Ukraine' today is synonymous with the war continuing right? Most that are being sent to this war don't give a fuck about the Donbass, many have never even stepped there but you think you are doing them a favor? If you want the war to continue you should go and you should trade your spot for someone that doesn't want to die. This is what helping looks like in your mind?

We discussed this many times. The Russians had like what ~150K troops spread over very large areas, no properly prepared defensive lines, vehicles in columns were sitting ducks and so on. They were using Ukrainian cellphone towers so the Ukrainians had all intel available at their fingertips. I'm sure you remember all of this.

In 2023 the Ukrainians had to breach not one properly prepared defensive line but several defensive lines that were interlinked and dense minefields everywhere.




Another poor effort from the usual suspects. Germany is one of the cornerstones of the EU. I'm not German btw

THIS is why the AFD is gaining support -->





And why did you even mention RT lol. More proof that you have no idea what you're talking about. RT was immediately banned following the 2022 invasion of Ukraine



This post was edited by Djunior on Jul 13 2026 01:50pm

Taking my heil back

In hindsight, there were good reasons to assume that Ukraine would get stuck, yes. My point is just that it was NOT delusional to imagine further Ukrainian reconquests during the Sep2022-Mar2023 timeframe.

Also, let's not forget how you and your "side" kept predicting that Ukraine running out of soldiers was imminent... for 3 straight years, and it still hasn't happened and isn't looking likely anytime soon. Just like you predicted in the opening days of the invasion that Ukraine would inevitably fold within weeks, and should therefore just surrender to prevent further bloodshed. Over the years, both sides made major predictions about how this war would unfold which have turned out to be categorically wrong.

Idk, does posting falsehoods about the past change what's currently happening?


Nope. Pootin losing.

This post was edited by said_aouita on Jul 13 2026 03:28pm