do you plan to retract your statement "Is god the ultimate grounding for reality? We can't know."?

or do you still stand by this?

if so, how do you know this universal statement is true?

This post was edited by majorblood on Jul 11 2026 05:18pm

to be clear here

you came into this thread making a universal truth claim "is god the ultimate grounding for reality? we can't know."

I asked you how you know that universal claim is true.

you retreated and said "How could I prove anything about something I'm not convinced exists?"

I pointed out that you are confusing your own personal lack of conviction (ignorance) with a universal fact about what can be known.

now, do you plan to retract your statement, or do you still stand by this universal claim? if so, how do you know this universal statement is true?

Criticizing my position won't make your position any less true even if its faulty also.
This is equivalent of using god of gaps. Where god/magic creation story is a placeholder for current scientific ignorance. Its intellectually dishonest to posit a convenient story and then refuse to validate it. Maybe you confused god with nature or thought. Our minds can hold thoughts on metaphysics maybe thats where they reside. Maybe transcendentals are just social constructs and you are overthinking. Who the fuck knows until its demonstrated we are speculating/talking out of our ass.



This post was edited by addone on Jul 11 2026 09:36pm

addone made a meme of himself
no God of the gaps btw
plenty of 'evolution of the gaps though

scripture vrs 'atheist imagination is the conflict of the current age

back when i was "finding the truth of it all" i couldnt help but notice what kind of world it would be if we treated each other according to the teachings of Jesus.
then i noticed how the 'atheist just rails against Christianity, often vilely. but then says little about other religions.
it perplexed me why anyone would care so much about something they didnt 'believe
as i learned more i began to understand,....actually makes a lot of sense if Christianity is true
'atheism is a giant neon sign pointing at Christianity.
i am in awe of it all.

the irony of you posting that meme while demanding 'demonstration' within your own arbitrary, unjustified empirical frame is hilarious.

you just completely destroyed your own position when you said "maybe transcendentals are just social constructs".

think about the logical conclusion of what you just admitted.

If the universal laws of logic and objective truth are merely temporary human social constructs, then they have no objective, transcendent reality. If logic is just an arbitrary social convention, then your claims that my worldview is 'faulty,' 'incoherent,' or a 'god of the gaps' carry absolutely zero objective weight. you are merely stating your personal preferences. you cannot call a worldview irrational if you've just admitted that rationality itself is just a made up social construct.

my worldview perfectly grounds these universals while you struggle to even know if they are real or just social constructs (without even understanding the implications of that sentence). this is just pathetic lol

This post was edited by majorblood on Jul 11 2026 10:56pm

You keep bringing up my position like its some kind of a boxing match to see who has a better/more coherent explanation. You fundamentally misunderstood this debate. It is only an examination of christian worldview NOT mine.
I didn't destroy my position because I didn't state it. I was merely suggesting that you made a mistake in your argument NOT that I personally endorse those positions myself.

We already outruled how your invalid god cannot be used to ground anything. Even if my position is incoherent doesn't makes yours true. So not sure why you are doing victory laps?

The meme was to highlight how you keep asking me to justify my worldview within your rules that logic needs grounding and that your very specific eastern orthodox god is the only one which can do it.


Are all forms of logic transcendental? Is it necessary to ground them if so why does it need to be in your particular god? Can a natural explanation be utilized instead? Perhaps logic consists of brute facts or a necessary truth that require no further explanation? What if logical truths are tautologies they are true in every possible interpretation solely due to their logical form not because they correspond to a specific metaphysical reality.

This post was edited by addone on Jul 12 2026 12:52am

no this is exactly how it works, all worldviews are compared at a coherency level and mine is coherent and has explanatory power whiles yours does not. In fact, no other worldview can explain the problems I address, especially not a secular materialistic one. Only the Orthodox Christian worldview has this capability.

your worldview cannot justify the possibility of intelligibility which includes the problem of the one and the many as well as an explanation for universal transcendentals, mine can. you are operating off blind faith and incoherence, I am operating off reason with a justified position.

"We already outruled how your invalid god cannot be used to ground anything" show how this is the case.

you admit your worldview doesn't have grounding and logic doesn't need to be justified, this is called admitting defeat in an argument. If you can just say logic doesn't need to be grounded, you are no different than a muslim saying his faith in allah doesn't need any justification.

show how in your worldview a natural explanation grounds the universal transcendental categories and explain their ontological status, and when you say natural I assume you mean material.

these "brute facts" or "necessary truth" what is their ontological status? what are they, where are they and are they made of? how is your belief here no different than faith in an arbitrary God like the God of Islam?

to say something has a "logical form" is to appeal to metaphysics already, which would mean they are appealing to a specific metaphysical reality.


if I can get you to admit it requires a particular being like God to ground universals I will explain why only the trinitarian God found in Orthodoxy has the capability

if you are saying the laws of logic, math, and other universal categories are all separate "brute facts" that just exist on their own, uncreated and eternally, without a singular unifying source that is personal and relational to us, this is no different than polytheism but it fails to explain the problem of the one and many and also fails the problem of intelligibility

This post was edited by majorblood on Jul 12 2026 02:04am

In my experience the supermarket is a very busy and crowded place and they are usually placed along very high traffic areas. I am quite interested in hearing where you were able to find a place of solitude in amongst a very busy place like the supermarket?

It was a very lazy Sunday morning in a quiet town. Also I said on my way to the supermarket NOT at the supermarket. That means it could of been anywhere between my house and the supermarket which I didn't specify. I am already giving you more details than the so called evidence you rely on. Answer the question.

So you were on your way to the supermarket but it wasn't at the supermarket where you saw this hippo. The thing is you chose a hippopotamus as your example but there are no hippopotamuses in New Zealand. That must mean you need to go to the optometrist to get your eyes checked because whatever you saw certainly wasn't a hippo.