you're confusing confidence in our right to defend ourselves with blind 'faith.' If you haven't seen me criticize the IDF, it’s because my goal on a public, international forum isn't to air our internal domestic dirty laundry it’s to correct egregious, recycled distortions of real-world events.
If you want to talk about the core premise, let's talk about it:
You call it 'unquestionable faith.' I call it the baseline survival instinct of a nation surrounded by genocidal proxies. We don't fight out of blind, robotic obedience. We fight because we know exactly what happens if we lose.
But if you think Israeli society doesn't question the military, you are completely blind to our internal reality. Israel is a raucous, hyper-critical democracy. Our press relentlessly investigates the army, our citizens protest by the hundreds of thousands, and our legal system holds commanders criminally accountable. We have immense self-doubt, fierce internal debates, and constant oversight. But we don't let our internal self-critique become a weapon for people who want to see us wiped off the map.
Why the Examples Matter?
You say I should argue the premise, not the examples. That is a classic debater's cop-out when their evidence fails them.
Examples are the foundation of an argument. If your core premise is that 'Israel doesn't care about civilian life' and 'executes paramedics,' and your primary evidence is a heavily distorted, sensationalized version of a chaotic fog-of-war tragedy, then your premise falls apart.
Pointing out that you misstated the facts of the Rafah convoy turning a catastrophic operational error that the military openly acknowledged, investigated, and coordinated with the UN to recover into a movie-style 'mass execution and cover-up' isn't avoiding the debate. It's exposing that your premise is built on a foundation of sand.
There is a massive difference between having self-doubt about how we fight, and doubting whether we have the right to survive. We are absolutely certain of our right to defend our families. If you want to call that baseline survival instinct 'faith,' go ahead. But don't confuse our refusal to stand still and be slaughtered with a lack of critical thinking.
You are saying that my argument is weak and that I am copping out because "the evidence fails (me)". Well, I posted multiple links with evidence, your argument does not hold up. It is like you ignored the evidence and are simply using sound bites. I am saying that the Ambulances incident is an example of a deeper underlying problem with this conflict and how you respond to accusations related to IDF / Israel operations in this thread.
3. The 'Buried Ambulance Convoy' Hoax
Your position has not changed. You still believe it is a hoax — even though we discussed this last year, even with the numerous links provided, including statements from IDF spokespeople. There are numerous sources of evidence: observers, UN officials, the PRCS, and the IDF's own admissions. The problem with your "hoax" claim is that the IDF itself has admitted the event happened. They admitted the ambulances were fired on. They admitted the bodies were buried in a mass grave, and admitted they buried the vehicles. They admitted their initial claim about "no lights" was false. So for you to call it a hoax, you are in direct conflict with the IDF who confirmed that they stopped the convoy, confirmed they shot and killed the medic's, confirmed they buried the medic's in a mass grave and confirmed they used bulldozers to bury the ambulances.
If the beginning of the story was a lie — and the IDF admitted it was — then why should anyone trust the rest of their account?
It is confirmed, by the IDF, that the medics were unarmed when they were shot and killed. It was reported — by multiple sources — that they were bound, executed at close range, and buried in a mass grave. The IDF claimed they bury bodies in mass graves regularly. The IDF regularly buries groups of people in mass graves. I mean, just wow. And when asked why they buried the ambulances — the vehicles themselves — the IDF had no answer. They had no answer because there is no good answer to that question.
but its ok, your said its a Hoax, we should simply trust you. ignore all the facts and evidence. For once, I am going to agree with the IDF.
1. They stopped the convoy
2. They killed the unarmed medics
3. They buried them in a mass grave
4. They buried the ambulances
5. They lied about their actions at least once
6. They made multiple reports about the incident, but I should ignore everything the IDF says because you are saying the entire incident never happened, its a hoax.
This post was edited by ferdia on Jul 9 2026 04:46pm