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Jul 9 2026 01:46am
It was an attack on the aid worker that volounteered to give children in a war zone a bit of hapiness and hope because that was who israel killed. Hardly matters what you intend when the end result is murder which is always the case with israel.


He wasn’t the target.

The kids in the Nova festival were the target he wasn’t

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He wasn’t the target.

The kids in the Nova festival were the target he wasn’t


So were the children murdered by israeli snipers when they used them for target practice.
So were the hospitals that got double tagged
So were the paramedics driving ambulances, with lights on, when they were ambushed and israel then tried to burry the evidence.
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Jul 9 2026 03:33am
So were the children murdered by israeli snipers when they used them for target practice.
So were the hospitals that got double tagged
So were the paramedics driving ambulances, with lights on, when they were ambushed and israel then tried to burry the evidence.


What he is saying is:

The Children, Hospitals, Paramedics etc are all not targetted. They are simply not factored. So if the mission is to kill a terrorist, and if it is known or suspected where the terrorist is, the terrorist is targetted, and it is not relevant if he is in a bus full of school children, or in a hospital or in an ambulance. Anyone that dies in the bus, the hospital or in an ambulance, whether the terrorist was there or not, well, that is just too bad, but the mission trumps any notion of victimhood. It is not even called collateral damage, on the understanding that Israel does not believe that there are any innocents in Gaza.

Also your statement is problematic. You failed to mention that as part of the Israeli strike that an 8 year old and a 10 year old were also killed. Also, related to the Ambulances event which occurred, Israel did not in fact try to bury the evidence, they DID bury the evidence using heavy machinery to do so. It took two weeks for people to understand what happened. i.e. Convoy of ambulances and fire trucks, detained, bound and executed, vehicles buried in mass grave, video evidence and testimonies contradicted IDF statements and ultimately Israel stopped talking about this incident. So to reiterate: Israel did not TRY to bury anything, they DID, both physically and then later, metaphorically bury it. TLDR: If everyone is a potential militant, then no one is a civilian, ergo, nothing to be investigated. It is Faith - Faith in what they are doing, impervious to critic's, no need to answer questions, no self doubt.



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So were the children murdered by israeli snipers when they used them for target practice.
So were the hospitals that got double tagged
So were the paramedics driving ambulances, with lights on, when they were ambushed and israel then tried to burry the evidence.


What he is saying is:

The Children, Hospitals, Paramedics etc are all not targetted. They are simply not factored. So if the mission is to kill a terrorist, and if it is known or suspected where the terrorist is, the terrorist is targetted, and it is not relevant if he is in a bus full of school children, or in a hospital or in an ambulance. Anyone that dies in the bus, the hospital or in an ambulance, whether the terrorist was there or not, well, that is just too bad, but the mission trumps any notion of victimhood. It is not even called collateral damage, on the understanding that Israel does not believe that there are any innocents in Gaza.

Also your statement is problematic. You failed to mention that as part of the Israeli strike that an 8 year old and a 10 year old were also killed. Also, related to the Ambulances event which occurred, Israel did not in fact try to bury the evidence, they DID bury the evidence using heavy machinery to do so. It took two weeks for people to understand what happened. i.e. Convoy of ambulances and fire trucks, detained, bound and executed, vehicles buried in mass grave, video evidence and testimonies contradicted IDF statements and ultimately Israel stopped talking about this incident. So to reiterate: Israel did not TRY to bury anything, they DID, both physically and then later, metaphorically bury it. TLDR: If everyone is a potential militant, then no one is a civilian, ergo, nothing to be investigated. It is Faith - Faith in what they are doing, impervious to critic's, no need to answer questions, no self doubt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2VbLeJfnow


your entire response relies on a fictional moral framework that doesn't exist in reality, topped off with a complete conspiracy theory about a 'buried ambulance convoy' that you literally just fabricated. Let's break down the facts:
1. The Factoring of Civilian Life: Proportionality
Your claim that civilians are 'simply not factored' or that Israel believes 'there are no innocents in Gaza' is demonstrably false. Under international humanitarian law, every single military strike goes through a strict proportionality assessment.
If a high-ranking terrorist commander is inside a building, the military calculates the expected civilian collateral damage. If that civilian risk is deemed excessive compared to the military advantage, the strike is aborted. Israel routinely aborts strikes, delays missions, and uses non-explosive kinetic warning measures ('roof knocking') specifically because civilians are factored.
If Israel truly operated under the doctrine that 'the mission trumps any notion of victimhood' and that 'no one is a civilian,' this war would have ended in three days with millions dead. Instead, the IDF operates in the most densely populated, booby-trapped urban environment in military history, achieving a civilian-to-combatant casualty ratio that is historically low for modern urban warfare.
2. The Strike on Al-Wahidi
Regarding the strike that killed Mohamed Fawaz al-Wahidi: yes, tragically, two children (ages 8 and 10) who were passing by were killed, along with Al-Wahidi.
I didn't 'fail to mention' it to hide it; it was right there in the news text posted in the thread. It is a heartbreaking tragedy. But your narrative tries to claim Israel targeted the car knowing or wanting to kill bystanders. The reality is that the IDF targeted a specific vehicle tracking a active Hamas operative.
When a terrorist group chooses to ride in civilian taxis or embed themselves among a civilian population, they are the ones who bear the moral guilt for the collateral damage. Under international law, the presence of civilians does not grant a combatant immunity from attack; rather, the combatant placing civilians in danger is committing the war crime.
3. The 'Buried Ambulance Convoy' Hoax
Your claim that the IDF 'detained, bound, executed, and physically buried an entire convoy of ambulances and fire trucks with heavy machinery' is a completely unhinged conspiracy theory.
Think about the sheer scale of what you are claiming. A convoy of ambulances and fire trucks disappearing into a mass grave dug by heavy machinery? No international media outlet, no reputable human rights organization, and not even the UN has ever reported or verified such an absurd event. You are literally inventing horror stories out of thin air to justify your hatred.
The Real TL;DR:
You need to believe that Israel is an unthinking, unfeeling machine impervious to critique because it shields you from having to look at the side you are defending.
Israelis don't have 'blind faith.' We live in a raucous, hyper-critical democracy where the military is subjected to constant judicial review, independent investigations, and relentless domestic press coverage. The side operating on blind, uncritical faith is the one that swallows unverified alternative media clips, invents stories about buried ambulance convoys, and completely absolves a genocidal terrorist group of its explicit policy of using its own children as shields.
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Jul 9 2026 06:19am
Such a strange feeling- it's like I didn't even write the above, and yet I'm the one feeling embarrassed.
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Jul 9 2026 06:37am
your entire response relies on a fictional moral framework that doesn't exist in reality, topped off with a complete conspiracy theory about a 'buried ambulance convoy' that you literally just fabricated. Let's break down the facts:
1. The Factoring of Civilian Life: Proportionality
Your claim that civilians are 'simply not factored' or that Israel believes 'there are no innocents in Gaza' is demonstrably false. Under international humanitarian law, every single military strike goes through a strict proportionality assessment.
If a high-ranking terrorist commander is inside a building, the military calculates the expected civilian collateral damage. If that civilian risk is deemed excessive compared to the military advantage, the strike is aborted. Israel routinely aborts strikes, delays missions, and uses non-explosive kinetic warning measures ('roof knocking') specifically because civilians are factored.
If Israel truly operated under the doctrine that 'the mission trumps any notion of victimhood' and that 'no one is a civilian,' this war would have ended in three days with millions dead. Instead, the IDF operates in the most densely populated, booby-trapped urban environment in military history, achieving a civilian-to-combatant casualty ratio that is historically low for modern urban warfare.
2. The Strike on Al-Wahidi
Regarding the strike that killed Mohamed Fawaz al-Wahidi: yes, tragically, two children (ages 8 and 10) who were passing by were killed, along with Al-Wahidi.
I didn't 'fail to mention' it to hide it; it was right there in the news text posted in the thread. It is a heartbreaking tragedy. But your narrative tries to claim Israel targeted the car knowing or wanting to kill bystanders. The reality is that the IDF targeted a specific vehicle tracking a active Hamas operative.
When a terrorist group chooses to ride in civilian taxis or embed themselves among a civilian population, they are the ones who bear the moral guilt for the collateral damage. Under international law, the presence of civilians does not grant a combatant immunity from attack; rather, the combatant placing civilians in danger is committing the war crime.
3. The 'Buried Ambulance Convoy' Hoax
Your claim that the IDF 'detained, bound, executed, and physically buried an entire convoy of ambulances and fire trucks with heavy machinery' is a completely unhinged conspiracy theory.
Think about the sheer scale of what you are claiming. A convoy of ambulances and fire trucks disappearing into a mass grave dug by heavy machinery? No international media outlet, no reputable human rights organization, and not even the UN has ever reported or verified such an absurd event. You are literally inventing horror stories out of thin air to justify your hatred.
The Real TL;DR:
You need to believe that Israel is an unthinking, unfeeling machine impervious to critique because it shields you from having to look at the side you are defending.
Israelis don't have 'blind faith.' We live in a raucous, hyper-critical democracy where the military is subjected to constant judicial review, independent investigations, and relentless domestic press coverage. The side operating on blind, uncritical faith is the one that swallows unverified alternative media clips, invents stories about buried ambulance convoys, and completely absolves a genocidal terrorist group of its explicit policy of using its own children as shields.


1) yes. because israeli officials, leading members of their military and their own prime minister, minister of defence amongst others clearly said so. That they are animals, that amalak should be invoked, that for every israeli 50 palestinians should die, that not a drop of water, electricity or food would reach them. All documented. All infront of the world stage. And we are seeing the results of same.
2) my claim, if there is any claim here, is that israel kills indiscriminatorily and without conseuqnce anyone they see fit and they use bullshit excuses to justify their barbarity. Like you do. You might write its tragic that 2 kids got blown to pieces but here you are sitting defending their pointless deaths because some taxi-driver (who we must assume was unarmed and doing civilian matters) was driving around someone trying to go a good thing.
3) It's not a hoax.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0xp969n69o
I don't claim it happened with a bunch of random internet people your own IDF does. They changed their story and admitted to the killings saying the burried the ambulances to "clear the road". They also said they will investigate it. We all know what that means it means it will join the ambulances and scores of war crimes deeply burried next to all the children.
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Jul 9 2026 09:59am
3. The 'Buried Ambulance Convoy' Hoax
Your claim that the IDF 'detained, bound, executed, and physically buried an entire convoy of ambulances and fire trucks with heavy machinery' is a completely unhinged conspiracy theory.
Think about the sheer scale of what you are claiming. A convoy of ambulances and fire trucks disappearing into a mass grave dug by heavy machinery? No international media outlet, no reputable human rights organization, and not even the UN has ever reported or verified such an absurd event. You are literally inventing horror stories out of thin air to justify your hatred.


Lets take this one step at a time. You say this story is a Hoax. Lets rewind this topic 1 year:

as an example, the recent IDF attack on a convoy of fire engines and ambulance - https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c4g2z103nqxo

I think I'll wait for ^Many_names to rub his hands and post this video is Hamas propaganda before I comment.

i can already hear it though.
my impression is it will be : We don’t target ambulances. If one was hit, it’s because Hamas uses them to move weapons or fighters. We have no choice.
“Don’t expect me to fight animals with human law.”
“(People living in Gaza) And they deserve every bomb they get on their head.”

Its legit claim, Hamas uses ambulances to move its troops and weapons therefore endangers their own.
Using ambulances for soldiers and weapons is a war crime.
Shooting ambulances located in a killing zone whole your enemy uses them isnt.
You predicted right.

If its a legit claim then why Israel have to lie when they said there were no lights on ? hmmmmmm those lights look on.

What you're saying makes sense if you replace soldiers with first responders and weapons with first aid kits lol. Israel never had any proof for this otherwise they would run it over and over and over and over again XDHell... They even run with things that are absurd and factually wrong so you can be sure that if Israel had proof of this, they would IMMEDIATELY post it until the end of times.

I agree your logic hold if they had footage they would blast it everywhere

IDF stated that the emergency vehicles approached a military position without prior coordination, leading to the tragic event
In a war zone, unexpected movement even by marked ambulances — can be seen as a potential suicide attack or a decoy tactic. There have been past incidents (some documented) where militants used ambulances for transportation or cover, which may lead soldiers to be overly cautious or even aggressive when in doubt.
I’ve been in situations like this before, and honestly, if I were over there and saw a couple of ambulances approaching my position without coordination, I’d probably open fire and deal with the consequences afterward.
In any case, an investigation is currently ongoing.

meanwhile, Following the attack, the bodies of the deceased were buried in a mass grave, with some showing signs of close-range gunshot wounds and being bound. The vehicles involved in the incident were either destroyed or went missing, with reports indicating that some were buried along with the victims. ​
The most super duper moral army in the world.

You dont take single incident and make it a rule,
If the investigation will show misconduct they will suffer the consequences.


I trust the above refreshes your memory. In terms of "No international media outlet, no reputable human rights organization, and not even the UN has ever reported or verified such an absurd event."

https://news.sky.com/story/idf-claims-it-mistakenly-identified-gaza-aid-workers-as-threat-after-video-of-deadly-attack-emerges-13342874
https://www.jns.org/israel-news/idf-probe-six-hamas-terrorists-among-medics-killed-in-rafah
https://www.jewishledger.com/2025/04/idf-probe-six-hamas-terrorists-among-medics-killed-in-rafah/
https://www.cbc.ca/lite/story/1.7503942
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0xp969n69o?utm_campaign=Utah%20Today&utm_source=hs_email&utm_medium=email&_hsenc=p2ANqtz--Yewe5Leua-05Abc7WU89JSudUKljzyPSnHR67SFlXmYpg_S8p_oYapOs_7R1TS5SvkEzf
https://news.sky.com/story/israeli-troops-opened-fire-on-ambulances-because-of-perceived-threat-preliminary-idf-investigation-says-13343820
https://verfassungsblog.de/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/No-13-The-Ambulances-Incident-6-4-25.pdf#1#1
https://m.naharnet.com/stories/en/311968-israel-army-says-investigating-deadly-fire-on-gaza-medics
https://www.egypttoday.com/Article/1/139309/Israel-admits-firing-at-ambulances-in-Gaza-amid-reports-of
https://www.amnistia.org/ve/noticias/2025/04/28510/israel-opt-investigate-killings-of-paramedics-and-rescue-workers-in-gaza
https://aoav.org.uk/2025/fifteen-palestinian-paramedics-and-rescue-workers-reported-killed-in-southern-gaza-aoav-calls-for-urgent-investigation/#Latest
https://airwars.org/civilian-casualties/ispt230325z-march-23-2025/
https://uat.apnews.com/article/gaza-medics-killed-israel-ambulances-f34b6ecc985d9127265a400bd52c72b7

I can provide more links if you want. This is an international news story not some "Hoax" as you put it.

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Jul 9 2026 10:12am
With brevity.

The issue here is not the ambulance story. That happened over a year ago. The issue is what I said to DocPhil: that the Israeli framing views everything through the lens of military objectives and missions, and that there is a very strong, unquestionable belief in Israel that what they are doing is right. I called this belief what it is: faith. The video I posted above was me highlighting the dangers of such unquestionable faith. Your posts in this thread have proven my point perfectly. You have never been critical of the IDF. You have never posted anything that resembles doubt about what Israel is doing. Not once.

Look at your recent responses. You are not arguing with my core premise. You are denying my examples. And you are denying them even when they are factual and proven true. In a debate, you argue the point, not the examples. And you certainly don't deny examples that have been documented by the BBC, the UN, the PRCS, and even the IDF's own admissions. You are proving my argument for me.
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With brevity.

The issue here is not the ambulance story. That happened over a year ago. The issue is what I said to DocPhil: that the Israeli framing views everything through the lens of military objectives and missions, and that there is a very strong, unquestionable belief in Israel that what they are doing is right. I called this belief what it is: faith. The video I posted above was me highlighting the dangers of such unquestionable faith. Your posts in this thread have proven my point perfectly. You have never been critical of the IDF. You have never posted anything that resembles doubt about what Israel is doing. Not once.

Look at your recent responses. You are not arguing with my core premise. You are denying my examples. And you are denying them even when they are factual and proven true. In a debate, you argue the point, not the examples. And you certainly don't deny examples that have been documented by the BBC, the UN, the PRCS, and even the IDF's own admissions. You are proving my argument for me.


you're confusing confidence in our right to defend ourselves with blind 'faith.' If you haven't seen me criticize the IDF, it’s because my goal on a public, international forum isn't to air our internal domestic dirty laundry it’s to correct egregious, recycled distortions of real-world events.
If you want to talk about the core premise, let's talk about it:

You call it 'unquestionable faith.' I call it the baseline survival instinct of a nation surrounded by genocidal proxies. We don't fight out of blind, robotic obedience. We fight because we know exactly what happens if we lose.
But if you think Israeli society doesn't question the military, you are completely blind to our internal reality. Israel is a raucous, hyper-critical democracy. Our press relentlessly investigates the army, our citizens protest by the hundreds of thousands, and our legal system holds commanders criminally accountable. We have immense self-doubt, fierce internal debates, and constant oversight. But we don't let our internal self-critique become a weapon for people who want to see us wiped off the map.

Why the Examples Matter?
You say I should argue the premise, not the examples. That is a classic debater's cop-out when their evidence fails them.
Examples are the foundation of an argument. If your core premise is that 'Israel doesn't care about civilian life' and 'executes paramedics,' and your primary evidence is a heavily distorted, sensationalized version of a chaotic fog-of-war tragedy, then your premise falls apart.
Pointing out that you misstated the facts of the Rafah convoy turning a catastrophic operational error that the military openly acknowledged, investigated, and coordinated with the UN to recover into a movie-style 'mass execution and cover-up' isn't avoiding the debate. It's exposing that your premise is built on a foundation of sand.
There is a massive difference between having self-doubt about how we fight, and doubting whether we have the right to survive. We are absolutely certain of our right to defend our families. If you want to call that baseline survival instinct 'faith,' go ahead. But don't confuse our refusal to stand still and be slaughtered with a lack of critical thinking.

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you're confusing confidence in our right to defend ourselves with blind 'faith.' If you haven't seen me criticize the IDF, it’s because my goal on a public, international forum isn't to air our internal domestic dirty laundry it’s to correct egregious, recycled distortions of real-world events.


you could convince a lot more people if you actually did criticize the IDF when you thought they messed up. most people dont take you even close to seriously specifically because you refuse to ever admit fault as a default. and when you're backed into a corner on an issue you know you're dead wrong on you tend to downplay the impact of wrongdoing.

i could care less that you filter your responses through GPT to sound more polite, but admitting openly you are basically a liar because you have a goal to propagandize rather than have honest conversations, while not a crime, is disqualifying for most people. and they wont take you seriously at all.

but its hard to name a better duo than israel and hurting your own cause with flawed tactics.
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