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Build is insane. Tried it with the recommended runtime/prebuff gear and seems sooo good. Obsession Shako is great for mf and the qol is top notch.

I get that on mang Song / blood oath build you get some more damage but it’s super hard to cap resists/keep mana up.

But is it possible to build a mang Song Build that doesn’t have to use pots?

Like if you can get super bis stuff like a 2/20 2 socket rare circlet with mana/res , a sick 2/15+ amu with mana/res and some gg caster boots with high mana/res. Get mana roll on your sunder, depending on resist maybe on small charms. One 10fcr 100+ mana res ring + one opal.

Wouldn’t this be enough to keep your mana up even without obsession build ? Is this worth chasing or is the damage increase to minimal ?


The real problem becomes teleport mana cost. The more rares or crafts you use, trading +all skills for +warlock skills, you increase the mana cost of teleport. 8 mana per cast with obsession setup, but use mang song, rare circlet/ammy and its 14 mana per cast. You need 75% higher max mana to make it sustainable
Could it work? Maybe. Get super duper high mana rares and charms. You'd have lower level bo so its tough, but maybe possible. I felt good at 1000 mana on 8 cost, maybe 1750 mana on 14 cost would be the target. I mean, you could always stat energy. But then like you say, you also struggle to cap your resists. And you lose all that mf, gf, fhr, life, etc. And as you use fire facets you lose more sockets that could be cham, ist, ber.

The big takeaway from taintlock gameplay is just how little you actually need to use blood boil, or even when you do how it might not matter if its higher dps. For most of the game you can afk hold down teleport and never cast another spell. In areas like flayer jungle or WSK or other dense low hp mobs, you can speed up with blood boil but extra damage would be redundant. Its only against big packs of high hp high dr fire immunes like frenzytaurs or venom lords where blood boil becomes a dps bottleneck. And even then its working side by side with a jab demon killing p8 tz venom lords in 2 hits after amp. So when you have the option to deal about 80% of the blood boil dps of a more dps focused build, on a build that just skips 19 skill points in a synergy and maxes QoL and has 50% higher bound demon dps, its just better. I think the wise innovation a few pages back was the guy who used FRW skillers and nats boots just to move faster in town and picking up items- the HP was already stupid high and the cham + frw was the best QoL to speed up PvM even more

This post was edited by Goomshill on Jul 5 2026 04:21am
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My TaintLock

Maybe cheaper options as in no pre buffs stuff required, no mang song, no opalvein rings.

I didn't cast/use Hex Siphon in the videos (if u do not have enough points yet) to show that it's arguably not needed.

Chaos Run : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_WCC7OwN2o
Throne Run : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99GMtoDiG7U
Merc & Skill Tree : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-yzJ0p-4Dg

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Demon Skill Tree
20 Summon Tainted
1 Bind Demon
20 Blood Boil
20 Engorge
20 Demonic Mastery
20 Blood Oath
no need Consume

Chaos Skill Tree
1 Sigil Lethargy

Eldritch Skill Tree
1 Hex Siphon (Optional or when u have enough points)
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I think that 20 bind demon is without a doubt better than 20 Blood Oath
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The real problem becomes teleport mana cost. The more rares or crafts you use, trading +all skills for +warlock skills, you increase the mana cost of teleport. 8 mana per cast with obsession setup, but use mang song, rare circlet/ammy and its 14 mana per cast. You need 75% higher max mana to make it sustainable
Could it work? Maybe. Get super duper high mana rares and charms. You'd have lower level bo so its tough, but maybe possible. I felt good at 1000 mana on 8 cost, maybe 1750 mana on 14 cost would be the target. I mean, you could always stat energy. But then like you say, you also struggle to cap your resists. And you lose all that mf, gf, fhr, life, etc. And as you use fire facets you lose more sockets that could be cham, ist, ber.

The big takeaway from taintlock gameplay is just how little you actually need to use blood boil, or even when you do how it might not matter if its higher dps. For most of the game you can afk hold down teleport and never cast another spell. In areas like flayer jungle or WSK or other dense low hp mobs, you can speed up with blood boil but extra damage would be redundant. Its only against big packs of high hp high dr fire immunes like frenzytaurs or venom lords where blood boil becomes a dps bottleneck. And even then its working side by side with a jab demon killing p8 tz venom lords in 2 hits after amp. So when you have the option to deal about 80% of the blood boil dps of a more dps focused build, on a build that just skips 19 skill points in a synergy and maxes QoL and has 50% higher bound demon dps, its just better. I think the wise innovation a few pages back was the guy who used FRW skillers and nats boots just to move faster in town and picking up items- the HP was already stupid high and the cham + frw was the best QoL to speed up PvM even more


Seems valid

You are right…Tele level will be much lower with the rares not just the manapool…especially with a +3 Tele obsession. Also more mf life and mana..Seems like the undisputed best build in the game right now. Obsession just gives sooo much freedom for the rest of the gear .

Thanks for figuring out the taintlock btw, great work !!!
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My TaintLock

Maybe cheaper options as in no pre buffs stuff required, no mang song, no opalvein rings.

I didn't cast/use Hex Siphon in the videos (if u do not have enough points yet) to show that it's arguably not needed.

Chaos Run : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_WCC7OwN2o
Throne Run : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=99GMtoDiG7U
Merc & Skill Tree : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-yzJ0p-4Dg

:blush:

Demon Skill Tree
20 Summon Tainted
1 Bind Demon
20 Blood Boil
20 Engorge
20 Demonic Mastery
20 Blood Oath
no need Consume

Chaos Skill Tree
1 Sigil Lethargy

Eldritch Skill Tree
1 Hex Siphon (Optional or when u have enough points)


How high were you in that chaos run? That was so slow :rofl: . No BB casting and teleporting like you had 10fcr
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Jul 5 2026 07:49am
How high were you in that chaos run? That was so slow :rofl: . No BB casting and teleporting like you had 10fcr


just relax playing, was watching 2026 World Cup and not concentrating
anyways it is just to show that is no need pre buffs, no need mag song, no need opalveins
can stand and wait for yr goons to kill

maybe show yours?


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Jul 5 2026 07:51am
just relax playing, was watching 2026 World Cup and not concentrating
anyways it is just to show that is no need pre buffs, no need mag song, no need opalveins
can stand and wait for yr goons to kill

maybe show yours?


Well of course you don't need that stuff for a 6 min chaos. My budget summon Necro can do that
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Jul 5 2026 08:45am
Seems valid

You are right…Tele level will be much lower with the rares not just the manapool…especially with a +3 Tele obsession. Also more mf life and mana..Seems like the undisputed best build in the game right now. Obsession just gives sooo much freedom for the rest of the gear .

Thanks for figuring out the taintlock btw, great work !!!


Bear in mind though its not like the mana situation is insurmountable. I think you could have enough mana to make it work, especially if you have any % regen items added like craft boots/rings/ammy which could be +75% extra regen with mang song / magefist. Maybe you only need 1300-1500 max mana, possibly without statting energy. But yeah it comes back to that question of -why? Obsession, shako, sling, maras, rare boots, rare ring, or craft ammy and sojs, or sojs and maras and coven, or so on, its all a ton of QoL in any setup. Still hits 125 fcr and high blood boil.
I honestly really like the soj setups because its harder to swap rings while prebuffing, I did coven/maras/sojs up to level 99 but the shako/craft/sojs would be better. Reducing the prebuff clicks is just one more stage of QoL after all
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Jul 5 2026 09:15am
Bear in mind though its not like the mana situation is insurmountable. I think you could have enough mana to make it work, especially if you have any % regen items added like craft boots/rings/ammy which could be +75% extra regen with mang song / magefist. Maybe you only need 1300-1500 max mana, possibly without statting energy. But yeah it comes back to that question of -why? Obsession, shako, sling, maras, rare boots, rare ring, or craft ammy and sojs, or sojs and maras and coven, or so on, its all a ton of QoL in any setup. Still hits 125 fcr and high blood boil.
I honestly really like the soj setups because its harder to swap rings while prebuffing, I did coven/maras/sojs up to level 99 but the shako/craft/sojs would be better. Reducing the prebuff clicks is just one more stage of QoL after all


Yeah soj beeing bis for prebuff + phys setup + mana pool makes it pretty smooth. So the hard part is basicly only getting a sweet 2/20 amu. Rest of the gear actualy isn’t that hard to get or expensive. Basic uniques and obsession . Sweeeet



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