Awesome , thanks a lot for your effort !!!

Sooo looking at this , it seems that I was correct and 2 hand swords can hit faster frames than all the other two hand weapons maxing out at 11 frames.

At 11 frames a colossus Sword is only one frame slower than grief phaseblade with enough ias.

Running a Death in colossus sword with hellwardens , highlord , loh , one ias jool and high enough cleave level would be able to hit 11 frames with range 3 and basicly 100% deadly strike + easy 75 fcr breakpoint.

Colossus sword base damage with 100% deadly strike , an amp demon (can be holy freeze , fana is not even needed for 11 frames) with a might + pride merc would deal some crazy damage.

With Mephisto Book , hellwardens and maybe gheed belt, , there will also be a nice boost to magic damage , while beeing able to hit 75 fcr with a single fcr ring. Boots are flexible too, since death + highlord + levitation mastery already give all the deadly strike you need.

This sounds like some crazy damage potential to me . While beeing only one frame slower than grief at + 2 more range …

Yeah that's like WW with 2-handed weapons, swords reach 4fpa, others 5fpa.

All 2 handed swords have max +2 rangeadder, not 3. (Yes that's range 3 total if that's what you meant)
Grief can also be made in a zerker axe, also +2 rangeadder.
But that's not the point...

Personally I feel like both are unplayable.
The thing that matters most about cleave builds is range.
That's my opinion here, but anything that is not +4 makes me vomit.

With +2 range you cover 61 tiles
With +4 range you cover 89 tiles
89/61= 45.9% more

thanks for dropping the knowledge brother

because of you guys i used my only vex on HCSSF and rolled a death in an eth Colossus Sword, hit 380 ed hell yeaaaaa

the 11 frames feels exponentially better than the trash decapitator i was using. i know its not a giga +4 range wep but still feels amazing

still missing jah for enigma but with full horazon set and this death im blade warping directly into p8 council and cleaving them all down in under 5 seconds

Ah yeah if you’re running trav then I guess the range doesn’t matter as much

GG

Oh and thanks for your donation!

has been testing mirrored blades on a demon crossbow, and it doesn't look like it's proccing crushing blow. Do you know where to get a definitive?

It does work.
But ranged attack = half effective
vs boss = half effective

so we're down to 1/16 dmg

and people still believe CB dmg scales with player count...
It does not.

So on p8, CB with ranged weapon only does 1/16/4.5= 1.39% current hp dmg
... if it hits
... further reduced by DR%
there's not much left

How do you get 1/16? I don’t know that much about crushing blow.

So effectiveness is the damage it does or the chance it procs?
What’s the baseline, and does mirrored blades not count each arrow similar to how it calculates hex bane damage?

That’s making 10% crushing blow on gloves for mirrored blades demon crossbow actually not that good…

This post was edited by ahyp on Jun 25 2026 06:07pm

Normal CB dmg performed by a melee attack against a non-boss non-super-unique mob is 1/4 current hp as dmg
vs boss its 1/8

ranged attacks is half that
1/8 vs regular mobs
1/16 vs boss

Crushing Blow damage to monsters is divided by 0.5 + (0.5 * # players)
/p8 means your CB dmg is divided by 4.5

That's where my 1.39% dmg comes from
Now if you have 10% CB?
This means your effective CB dmg is also 1/10th of that overall per attack
0.139%

And you can further calculate the real average dmg by dividing the total life of the target by half, to factor in the fact that is does dmg based on current life, not max life.
So say you fight a p8 diablo with 502,154 life
(502,154/2)*0.139% = 349 dmg per hit

divide that again by 2, cuz diablo has 50% block chance
and divide it probably by 2 again cuz you don't have much ar on a bowlock

O wow thanks again m8!!

I actualy thought range 4 (rangeadder 3) was max on weapons not 5 (rangeadder 4) so I thought sword had the second highest range but it’s the third highest…

I still realy like the death colossus sword setup. Definitly an upgrade to grief with more damage and range at only one frame slower. Also easy to get fcr , since you dont have to build for deadly strike as much.

Could also build for 125 fcr for faster Tele but needs to drop highlords + loh then. But even without highlords + loh you can reach 11 frames while still having 70-80 effective crit (death + gores + levitation mastery.

I‘m just not sure if anything but death or botd would be worth. They can be made in eth bases compared to all the other weapons while having the most ed.

Since axes hit two frames slower than swords, they are not an option as death base for mere.

Botd in a 5 range weapon could be sweet too. But you loose one frame compared to death sword (two compared to grief) and a lot of crit.

Botd with gface gores and highlord would still hit decent deadly strike. You would need to drop loh/hora gloves for mages/to though to hit 75 fcr then, 125 fcr would basicly be impossible if you want any crit on gear.
But with that setup you could gain 5 range, 12 frames atack with 70+ crit. No loh/hellwardens means a lot less ias though. But since botd has ias itself you should be able to reach maxframes .

Both look realy strong!!!

If only Forti could be made in eth weapons just like in the es build . Would be sick for cleave

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Jun 26 2026 02:11am

After some testing the 3 best builds I came up with where:

All builds use a might/pride merc and an amp bound demon.

Build 1: death 75 fcr

doesn’t need fanatism

Weapon: Death colossus sword
Shield: Mephisto (15 ias or protector stone)
Helmet: Hellwarden (15 ias or protector stone)
Amu: Highlord
Belt: Arach/gheed
Gloves: Loh
Boots; Tri Res Boots / hora boots
Ring 1: fcr ring /opal / fcr lifeleech ring (if no bk)
Ring 2: bk/soj/raven (if no Horazon boots)

Stats:
80 fcr
87% deadly strike (before levitation mastery added)
11 frames atack speed (with 75 ias and level 27 cleave, no fanatism needed—> holy freeze amp demon )
Range 3


Build 2: death 125fcr

needs fanatism from bind demon

Weapon: Death colossus sword
Shield:Mephisto (protector stone)
Helmet: Hellwarden (Cham)
Amu: 2/15+ fcr crafted
Belt: Arach/gheed
Gloves: Mages/to
Ring 1: fcr ring with lifeleech
Ring 2: fcr ring/sling/opalvein
Boots:gores

Stats:
125 fcr,
65% deadly strike (before levitation mastery added)
11 frames atack speed (needs only the 20 ias from hellwarden with a fana demon)
Range 3

Build 3: botd war pike

needs fana demon (could drop it if you can reach level 38 cleave and 115 ias)


Weapon: botd war pike
Shield:Mephisto (protector stone)
Helmet: gface (Cham/40 ed add if no raven)
Amu: highlord
Belt: Arach/gheed
Gloves: Mages/to
Ring 1: bk/soj/raven (if no Cham in helmet)
Ring 2: fcr ring/sling/opalvein
Boots:gores

Stats:
80 fcr
67% deadly strike (before levitation mastery added)
12 frames atack speed (with fana demon and 60 ias from botd )
Range 5

Guess you could also run botd in ghostspear and drop Fana demon for holy freeze to proc more amps.


All in all they all felt amazing. Despite having low range , death felt realy good.

I like the 125 fcr build. You get max Tele frames and 11 frames atacks. With death you still can get good deadly strike while running 125 fcr.

That said , botd with range 5 felt amazing, too. I didn’t notice the range that much compared to the sword but it was still a noticeable difference.
Kind of prefer death though. Botd is nice but it hits one frame slower than a death and a 125 fcr built looses to much damage to be worth.

So I Tele AND atack one frame faster with death while still doing amazing damage with an eth 2 hand base and 65% deadlystrike in a 125 fcr build. Seems realy strong and fun for farming !

This post was edited by Junglist69 on Jun 26 2026 05:15am