We aren’t playing the victim,⁠ We are survivors of a genocidal assault who decided we are no longer going to line up for the slaughter just to make Western critics feel comfortable.
If a fanatical army builds a reinforced concrete fortress sixty feet beneath a city and uses it to launch thousands of rockets at your family, you don't send a strongly worded letter. You use the exact munitions required to penetrate that concrete and eliminate the threat.
You want Israel to play the perfect victim weak, defenseless, and dead. Sorry to disappoint you, but we chose to fight back and survive.

"We are survivors of a genocidal assault who decided we are no longer going to line up for the slaughter just to make Western critics feel comfortable."
Victim.

Israel has starved, occupied, murdered and raped a whole population for +80 years. Taken their children to prison without trial, tortured them and then you say "you are lining up for the slaugther". Israel is the butcher and what's sickening is that the west has just turned a blind eye because we are supposed allies, well no more.

You are parroting a recycled script of historical revisionism because it’s easier to scream 'butcher' than to acknowledge the reality of how this war ended in 2026.
First, let's talk about the '80 years' lie. Eighty years ago, Israel didn't even exist, and the Jewish people were emerging from the ashes of the Holocaust, only to be immediately attacked by five Arab armies intending to drive them into the sea. Israel didn't choose this conflict; it survived it.
Second, the myth of '80 years of occupation and starvation' is completely detached from basic history. Israel completely withdrew every single soldier and civilian from the Gaza Strip in 2005. There was no blockade, no occupation, and no starvation. What did Gaza's leadership do with that total freedom? They overthrew their own government, threw their political rivals off buildings, and spent billions in international aid building a massive underground tunnel network and rocket arsenal instead of a state. They sowed war for two decades, and they reaped the consequences.
Finally, your attempt to twist counter-terrorism into 'torturing children' is the ultimate bad-faith argument. Israel detains terrorists regardless of age who throw firebombs, stab civilians, and orchestrate suicide attacks. They are held under legal frameworks because no society on earth allows teenagers to murder its citizens with impunity.
We didn't line up for the slaughter on October 7th, and we didn't wait for permission from Western keyboard warriors to dismantle the threat on our borders. You can call us whatever names make you feel morally superior, but Israel fought an existential war, defeated the genocidal armies trapping its population, and secured its survival. The era of the defenseless Jew is over.

Sorry 79 years. Israel committed the Nakbha in 1947 which followed the UN partition that then later sprung the arab nations to attack the newly created Israel.
You said you left in 2005. So you admit you occupied them for several decades. I will disagree that you left because you still controlled the relevant borders and all power, water, and access so there was no "total freedom". Hamas is a consequence of Israels wrong doings for decades, not just some random fantasy people have for hurting jews.
It's not a bad faith argument because you don't dispute the fact that you do imprison and torture children...You just accept as a necessary evil. Can you guess another country that previously made such statements about their neighbours and found such reasoning valid for detaining them and robbing them of their childhoods? I'll leave some hints it was in xx39 and the country starts with G and ends in ERMANY.
Israel is not defending anything right now. Israel is attacking and murdering civilians in 4 countries while stealing land in three of them, Syria, Lebanon and Palestine.

All of the above is a long running argument opened up by a couple of statements from a couple of users. It always details the topic and reignites strong feelings. One position is : "We do not like the civilian suffering / death", while the other position is "Well what are we supposed to do". We are not going to resolve these opposing view points here, therefore rehashing these arguments simply frustrates everyone.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 25 2026 02:27am

Crazy idea: Try not to kidnap, occupy, murder and kill innocent people for just a year and see if people around you are more agreeable to be your friend.