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Jun 22 2026 04:11am
Quote (ferdia @ 22 Jun 2026 13:03)
The entire point of Hezbollah is to function as an armed resistance movement against Israel, or in layman’s terms, a terrorist organisation. It was established with Iranian support and continues to receive significant backing from Iran. Hezbollah's stated purpose is resisting Israel and defending Lebanon, though it must be acknowledged that Iran uses it to serve their Regional interests - i.e. to limit Israeli regional influence. As for territory, the situation is more complicated. Hezbollah's conflict with Israel has historically involved disputes over border areas and security issues. Now that Israel has military forces operating in parts of Lebanon and has published maps of its positions, the territorial aspect of the conflict has become a new frontier.

TLDR: It is a terror group created to terrorise Israel for historic (and current) reasons. There are territorial conflicts and these are likely to lead to serious problems in the future.

Ignoring the recent territorial developments, I have said all this before, nothing new there from me.


But there is no territorial dispute between lebanon and Israel
So what is the point? How can one not support Israel campaign to dismantle them?
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Jun 22 2026 04:18am
Quote (Many_Names @ Jun 22 2026 11:11am)
But there is no territorial dispute between lebanon and Israel
So what is the point? How can one not support Israel campaign to dismantle them?


What is your definition of a Territorial dispute? From a neutral perspective - Israel is currently occupying parts of southern Lebanon and it has said it will not leave. The IDF has published a map showing an expanded military control zone. That is, by definition, a territorial issue. Israel controls Lebanese land and is not leaving. Israel has maintained a formal occupation zone in southern Lebanon for many years not just since thursday.

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Jun 22 2026 04:19am
Quote (Many_Names @ 22 Jun 2026 13:37)
But they attacked on October 8th 2023 are you trying to rewrite history?


Shebaa Farms they attacked that's in either lebanon or syria but not Israel.
I guess land borders are hard for israelis to recognize since they don't define their own borders but you know Israel grows larger and larger every year so it can be hard to narrow down land when you take more every year.

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Jun 22 2026 04:35am
Quote (ferdia @ 22 Jun 2026 13:18)
What is your definition of a Territorial dispute? From a neutral perspective - Israel is currently occupying parts of southern Lebanon and it has said it will not leave. The IDF has published a map showing an expanded military control zone. That is, by definition, a territorial issue. Israel controls Lebanese land and is not leaving. Israel has maintained a formal occupation zone in southern Lebanon for many years not just since thursday.


Hezbollah attacked before the recent invasion into Lebanon
We left in 2000, 26 years ago
Again what is the point of hezbollah?

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Jun 22 2026 04:36am
Quote (DocPhil @ 22 Jun 2026 13:19)
Shebaa Farms they attacked that's in either lebanon or syria but not Israel.
I guess land borders are hard for israelis to recognize since they don't define their own borders but you know Israel grows larger and larger every year so it can be hard to narrow down land when you take more every year.


I urge you to ask chatgpt what Shebba farm means or who was it taken from and how stupid you sound because of it..

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Jun 22 2026 04:38am
Quote (Many_Names @ Jun 22 2026 11:35am)
Hezbollah attacked before we were in Lebanon
We left in 2000, 26 years ago
Again what is the point of hezbollah?


I already answered you, in a fashion I thought you would accept. i will say it again:

Quote (ferdia @ Jun 22 2026 11:03am)
a terrorist organisation.


What are you trying to say? This conversation is on a point which no one is arguing.

The conversation relates to Israeli's current occupation and war on Lebanon. The motif's of the war are not debated - Hezbollah is a terrorist organisation attacking Israel. Israel has legitimate security concerns and is currently carrying military operations to resolve those concerns. That includes bombing and occupying parts of Lebanon. This is fact.

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Jun 22 2026 04:40am
Quote (ferdia @ Jun 22 2026 05:18am)
What is your definition of a Territorial dispute? From a neutral perspective - Israel is currently occupying parts of southern Lebanon and it has said it will not leave. The IDF has published a map showing an expanded military control zone. That is, by definition, a territorial issue. Israel controls Lebanese land and is not leaving. Israel has maintained a formal occupation zone in southern Lebanon for many years not just since thursday.


Its absolutely a territorial dispute. Hezbollah disputes Israel's right to exist and demands the liberation of all land from the river to the sea. Thats why they started attacking Israel on October 7th. And Israel responded by pushing back Hezbollah and expanding a buffer zone against them. That buffer isn't the cause of this conflict, the cause is Hezbollah wanting to stop Israel from existing at all
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Jun 22 2026 04:42am
Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 22 2026 11:40am)
Its absolutely a territorial dispute.


being flippant, see, even Pro Israeli voices have outlined that it absolutely is a territorial dispute. A territorial dispute has two sides. nevertheless, it is a territorial dispute. what else is there to be said!
Guys, I am sorry for being playful but we are straying from the primary point, which is that Israel, for reasons we all know, is not going to abide by some ceasefire due to LEGITIMATE security concerns.

The definition of Hezbollah, claims of Territorial Dispute, Historical context are background issues. I mean, if you want to do a deep dive in one aspect I can do that, just pick a point and lets go.

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Jun 22 2026 04:44am
Quote (Goomshill @ 22 Jun 2026 14:40)
Its absolutely a territorial dispute. Hezbollah disputes Israel's right to exist and demands the liberation of all land from the river to the sea. Thats why they started attacking Israel on October 7th. And Israel responded by pushing back Hezbollah and expanding a buffer zone against them. That buffer isn't the cause of this conflict, the cause is Hezbollah wanting to stop Israel from existing at all


Hezbollah was created because Israel invaded lebanon in the 80s....
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Jun 22 2026 04:47am
Quote (DocPhil @ Jun 22 2026 11:44am)
Hezbollah was created because Israel invaded lebanon in the 80s....


continuing on with my flippancy this morning. Sir please don't bring facts into the argument. That happened a long time ago and Lebanon should have...gotten over it?
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