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Jun 21 2026 04:04pm
So Horazon boots + 2vein + 2/20 amu are better than HL + 10fcr/6ml/1maek ring+ WT + Raven?

Not sure. Might be wrong.


t stroke
enigma
razor
spirit
griff + new j00l
ias/java gloves
whoreson boots
highlord
opalvein x2
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Is the skills from gloves needed? Seems like id take the stats and ias/frw granted from warlock gloves/boots over the skills.

Full disclosure didnt really go over full build
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Jun 21 2026 04:36pm
t stroke
enigma
razor
spirit
griff + new j00l
ias/java gloves
whoreson boots
highlord
opalvein x2


looks good
i been running about same
using an soj tho for more mana
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Jun 21 2026 04:43pm
t stroke
enigma
razor
spirit
griff + new j00l
ias/java gloves
whoreson boots
highlord
opalvein x2


This over the "old" meta build

Eth Titans
Enigma
Razor
Spirit
Griffon + 15ias/15all jewel
2javs/20ias/dex/3maek gloves
WT
Highlord
10fcr/6ml/1maek/+stats
Raven

is the Goat. What is better?

This post was edited by Xshoot on Jun 21 2026 05:08pm
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Jun 21 2026 05:09pm
t stroke
enigma
razor
spirit
griff + new j00l
ias/java gloves
whoreson boots
highlord
opalvein x2


This is it. If you want to chase FCR you can swap Razor for Arach. Only fuck with the amulet if you have the 40IAS javs. Even so I think I'd still just run Stroke (unless the javs are truly godly).

This over this

Eth Titans
Enigma
Razor
Spirit
Griffon + new jool
2javs/20ias/dex/3maek gloves
WT
Highlord
10fcr/6ml/1maek/+stats
Raven

^SinsOfTheSun is the Goat. What is better?


Now that you can get CBF on an otherwise throwaway item slot where all options are in practice the same (boots) Raven is pointless. You miss out on too much potential - all skill/mana from SoJ, FCR/massive stats/leech from rare, or the obvious new GOAT Opalvein (more damage and QoL than any other option).

Titan also is in this weird place where yeah the convenience is great, but the lack of IAS is really felt especially when you're trying to get the new jewel in your load out. Previously you would put IAS in the Griff, as it was the only open socket in the build, and missing a facet wasn't unbearable. Now you have to consciously sacrifice an attack frame to get the jewel (if you're running Titan) as there's really no other way to make up 15. You can get an extra 10 by sacrificing skills and using the Horazon glove with the boots, but its not enough to get you the breakpoint. I want to like this item, but IMO like Phoenix it is, at this point, sacrificing too much utility for a disproportionately small return of QoL.
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Jun 21 2026 05:16pm
This is it. If you want to chase FCR you can swap Razor for Arach. Only fuck with the amulet if you have the 40IAS javs. Even so I think I'd still just run Stroke (unless the javs are truly godly).



Now that you can get CBF on an otherwise throwaway item slot where all options are in practice the same (boots) Raven is pointless. You miss out on too much potential - all skill/mana from SoJ, FCR/massive stats/leech from rare, or the obvious new GOAT Opalvein (more damage and QoL than any other option).

Titan also is in this weird place where yeah the convenience is great, but the lack of IAS is really felt especially when you're trying to get the new jewel in your load out. Previously you would put IAS in the Griff, as it was the only open socket in the build, and missing a facet wasn't unbearable. Now you have to consciously sacrifice an attack frame to get the jewel (if you're running Titan) as there's really no other way to make up 15. You can get an extra 10 by sacrificing skills and using the Horazon glove with the boots, but its not enough to get you the breakpoint. I want to like this item, but IMO like Phoenix it is, at this point, sacrificing too much utility for a disproportionately small return of QoL.


Yeah, edited my last post to be the "old" meta build

Raven have cbf but also dex. WT was not bad because of the flat dmg.

This post was edited by Xshoot on Jun 21 2026 05:17pm
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https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=108750020&f=148&o=0

did you made some testing and know what is the new meta build now?
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Jun 21 2026 05:23pm
(unless the javs are truly godly)..


what would qualify as truly godly? so I know
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Jun 21 2026 05:28pm
4sk-40ias-maek would be enough to replace tstroke imo
+high ed and mana/life leech would be op
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Jun 21 2026 10:18pm
t stroke
enigma
razor
spirit
griff + new j00l
ias/java gloves
whoreson boots
highlord
opalvein x2


Yes

All wrong tags. https://forums.d2jsp.org/topic.php?t=109108210&f=148 has it tested/sorted. Go to pp13 for conclusion.

6bo is good QoL (or a BO barb lul). Wizspike in cube for mana + tele > ctgay. Longer bo, less cube switching/recasting.
99fcr is noticeable esp with older herald proc'ing system. It is still viable for outright speed anyway.

You can, also get away with titans on lower pcount along with the lesser bp count. I use it for lazy play only. But I do not like it for chaos when decrep'd esp solo p8 the ias and elr from tstrokes is better. For chaos, ok you can argue that fcr maybe not really needed (but YOU need it if grouping tz and seal popping with nova sorc etc otherwise you will be 2 screens behind by the time you chuck a jav at the seal boss and move on to next. For cows/baal waves I switch to razor

maek everywhere you can.

This post was edited by F2001 on Jun 21 2026 10:19pm
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