The only thing I have any interest in changing your mind about is adding the m to element in your signature. The rest is yer prerogative. Actually, I guess the signature is your prerogative too but I would appreciate it

Yeah, you've said this several times. You don't have to respond to my posts, I'm perfectly happy pointing out how silly some of the things you say are with or without a response.

We can accomplish great things with cooperation like this.

some mixed messages at the moment - "Deal on BRINK OF COLLAPSE, JD Vance Calls Out Israel" and "Israel, Hezbollah agree to ceasefire starting on Friday, Israeli source tells 'Post'"

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It can be argued that Itamar Ben Gvir is a far-right extremist whose views are not shared by all Israelis or by the government as a whole. Nevertheless, it must be acknowledged that he holds a formal position within the Israeli government and, as such, represents it on the global stage. Given his track record—particularly regarding past flotilla incidents—it is highly unlikely that he will face any meaningful sanction from his colleagues for spreading racist and inflammatory rhetoric, especially considering that his views are echoed by other members of the government.

If the Israeli government disagrees with his statements, it has a responsibility to clarify its position. Silence, in this context, can reasonably be interpreted as tacit approval. Within Israel, such posts are not met with widespread disgust but rather with resolve, reinforcing a siege mentality—the perception that the nation is surrounded by hostile forces and must act decisively, even aggressively, for its own survival.

NPR news recapped the war this morning saying that after the agreement, Israel attacked Hezbollah in violation of the ceasefire, and Hezbollah fired back
Does anyone have any source online trying to frame it as this other than NPR?
Go to an Israeli outlet like Jpost and it says;

>Hezbollah breaks ceasefire, launches 50 rockets at IDF soldiers in Lebanon, Israel retaliates
>One soldier was killed in the attacks, and at least 13 were injured only hours after the ceasefire went into effect on Friday.
>The military responded to the attacks with strikes on several Hezbollah terrorists and terror infrastructure sites in southern Lebanon, the military added, including rocket launch positions, weapons storage facilities, and command centers.
>The military noted that it remains committed to the ceasefire, emphasizing that it will act to "remove any threat posed to the State of Israel and IDF soldiers."

So my goal was to actually find some news that claimed it was Israel that attacked first, like NPR did. Maybe Al Jazeera or something;

>Israel has repeatedly violated the October ceasefire brokered by the US
>At least 10 people, including four from one family, have been killed in Israeli attacks on Gaza.
>An overnight Israeli strike at around 2:00 am on Saturday (23:00 GMT Friday) hit a building on al-Thalatini Street, a residential area in Gaza City, medical sources told the Wafa news agency.

Their articles say absolutely nothing about Hezbollah rockets and they don't claim any order of events, so they're clearly just omitting the reason Israel was firing rather than contradicting it like NPR did
So on the weight of it we have;

NPR claims Israel fired first and Hezbollah returned fire, without providing any source for this claim, and leading into an interview with a pro-Hamas propagandist no less
JPost cites the IDF saying they were returning fire after Hezbollah fired first, laying out the specifics of the order of events and citing the times and targets and casualties
Al Jazeera says Israel broke the ceasefire without even mentioning Hezbollah at all and not saying whether they fired first, trying to trick readers

This is just one more microcosm in the post-truth era of news, there's no fucking point listening to the news when you know its lying to you

from the other thread.



also



this is not an Israel or Hezbollah issue. This is the US failure to get buy in from Israel, related to Israeli security. The US should not have left Israel out of the talks, its as simple as that. The entire argument about "who broke the ceasefire first" is completely sidestepping Israel's stated intent, but more importantly, that the US did not properly carry out this negotiation (as Israel was not involved).

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