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Jun 18 2026 11:34am
By 'working,' do you mean letting them fund a literal ring of fire around our borders, build out a 2,000km ballistic missile arsenal, and enrich a massive stockpile of high-purity uranium?
You talk about the 2015 JCPOA like it was a peace treaty, Ferida, but it completely ignored the real-world threats. It didn’t stop their regional aggression; it just subsidized it by unfreezing billions that went straight to Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis.
And your 'criminals breaking into a house' analogy is totally detached from reality. The US and Israel didn't launch strikes out of a vacuum. This entire conflict happened because Iran spent years aggressively pushing its nuclear program to a dangerous threshold and directing its proxies to target us.
Trump is signing an interim MoU right now to unblock the Strait of Hormuz and fix an energy crisis, but don't confuse an American diplomatic exit with a solved problem. Israel still lives in the neighborhood. We don't have the luxury of pretending a regime that openly funds terror networks is just a peaceful 'homeowner' minding its own business.


Iran finances terror noting it funds Hezbollah. This is not disputed. The JCPOA was a nuclear deal, not a counter-terrorism (or counter military) deal. IAEA confirmed Iran complied 2016–2018. Trump killed it in 2018 to erase Obama's legacy, not over violations. Europe tried to save it; U.S. sanctions killed that. Iran's escalation came AFTER the U.S. broke the deal, not before. Blaming the JCPOA for not stopping terror financing is misdirecting blame.

I tried to keep this as short as possible.

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Jun 18 2026 11:55am
boy you really are lost, but im sure its fun to pretend i am instead.

you bit off more than you can chew with Iran. you cant beat Iran, except MAYBE with nuclear strikes, without the help of the USA doing most of the legwork militarily. and as i said all along the USA doesnt have the will do to that legwork, or the time. so starting the war would always have led here, as ive said all along. we'll jump in, we'll realize it was a bad idea, midterms will come, and we'll back out. like i said all along.

as to all of the nonsense about JD vance and the regime's moves, im not legitimizing or supporting any of them. they foolishly got into this war, which i was and am against, and now they're scrambling to get out of it and leaving us in a worse place than before we were when we got into it. TBH i didnt predict that, i expected we'd bomb more and come out about neutral militarily but FAR worse financially with a much lower stockpile of bombs. we still took a hit to the pocket book and stockpile, but it hasnt been as bad as i predicted. no issues admitting that. still dont think we'd have forced submission even if we did bomb them doubly what we did. they're not gonna quit.

you bragging about handling the houthis and their ilk is just like trump bragging about taking out iran's navy. you've chastised me many times for calling the proxies an annoyance rather than a legitimate threat, guess you forgot that. now you want credit for swatting flies? puh-leeze.


You have a very short memory if you’re trying to rewrite history to claim Israel can't handle Iran without the US doing 'most of the legwork.'
Let’s look at the actual operational ledger of this war. Israel is the one that has carried out the overwhelming majority of the precision strikes inside Iran—systematically dismantling their air defenses, hitting their nuclear enrichment sites, and taking out their command infrastructure. The US didn't do the heavy lifting on the ground or in the skies over Tehran; they provided defensive interceptor support and launched their own targeted campaigns against specific naval assets.
But you're completely changing the definition of 'beating' an enemy just to salvage your failed prediction. First you ranted that Israel couldn't handle Iran's proxies and that we 'bit off more than we could chew.' Now that the IDF has locked down the northern border and pushed Hezbollah past the Litani, you suddenly flip the script and call the proxies 'swatting flies' and 'child's play' just to move the goalposts.
The US isn't backing out because of a military failure; they are backing out because their political leadership lacks long-term strategic stamina. Trump and JD Vance are scrambling for a 60-day review period because an election is coming up, not because Iran is winning. When the White House has to stand at a press podium and literally argue that a terrorist regime needs ballistic missiles for 'self-defense,' it isn’t a strategic victory it's an embarrassing diplomatic capitulation to buy short-term domestic quiet.
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Jun 18 2026 11:59am
Iran finances terror noting it funds Hezbollah. This is not disputed. The JCPOA was a nuclear deal, not a counter-terrorism (or counter military) deal. IAEA confirmed Iran complied 2016–2018. Trump killed it in 2018 to erase Obama's legacy, not over violations. Europe tried to save it; U.S. sanctions killed that. Iran's escalation came AFTER the U.S. broke the deal, not before. Blaming the JCPOA for not stopping terror financing is misdirecting blame.

I tried to keep this as short as possible.


Whats the point arguing…. Do you think trump did a good deal?
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Jun 18 2026 12:10pm
Whats the point arguing…. Do you think trump did a good deal?


Its not worth the paper its written on. The US basically invited Israel on an adventure and when things got tough, the US left Israel behind. Israel is now in the middle of a war with Lebanon and it has no Ally. The US is about to blame Israel for not adhering to a deal that Israel was not invited to. Israel is in a position where they will not retreat from their stated goals in Lebanon. The deal included Lebanon and as the US is unable to properly defend Lebanon from Israel, the perception will be that Israel is being unreasonable. If I was in Israel I would be trying to get the US on side ASAP. The fact that Israel is not able to do this should be very very alarming for Israel.

We are living in interesting times when a statement like this is true: "as the US is unable to properly defend Lebanon from Israel"

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Jun 18 2026 12:14pm
Iran finances terror noting it funds Hezbollah. This is not disputed. The JCPOA was a nuclear deal, not a counter-terrorism (or counter military) deal. IAEA confirmed Iran complied 2016–2018. Trump killed it in 2018 to erase Obama's legacy, not over violations. Europe tried to save it; U.S. sanctions killed that. Iran's escalation came AFTER the U.S. broke the deal, not before. Blaming the JCPOA for not stopping terror financing is misdirecting blame.

I tried to keep this as short as possible.


Dude! Why do you bore us with facts!
Time to let lose the spinners and unveil some... What do they call it?
Ah yes, alternative facts!
Am I right boys?
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Jun 18 2026 12:16pm
Its not worth the paper its written on. The US basically invited Israel on an adventure and when things got tough, the US left Israel behind. Israel is now in the middle of a war with Lebanon and it has no Ally. The US is about to blame Israel for not adhering to a deal that Israel was not invited to. Israel is in a position where they will not retreat from their stated goals in Lebanon. The deal included Lebanon and as the US is unable to properly defend Lebanon from Israel, the perception will be that Israel is being unreasonable. If I was in Israel I would be trying to get the US on side ASAP. The fact that Israel is not able to do this should be very very alarming for Israel.

We are living in interesting times when a statement like this is true: "as the US is unable to properly defend Lebanon from Israel"


what do you think is going to happen next?
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Jun 18 2026 12:25pm
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JD Vance slams Netanyahu's government for criticizing the Iran deal

"Over the last three months, two-thirds of the defensive weapons that have protected Israel have been built by American hands and paid for by American tax dollars

The problem for Israel is not Donald J. Trump, and anybody in Israel who thinks their biggest problem is the President of the United States needs to wake up and smell the reality of the situation that country is in"


strong words from the VP
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Jun 18 2026 12:29pm
what do you think is going to happen next?


The US is betting that 60 days is enough time for Israel to wrap up in Lebanon, and that Iran will choose self-interest over defending a proxy. In my opinion this is a miscalculation by America. The deal explicitly requires a permanent end to military operations on all fronts, including Lebanon - Israel's continued bombing is a direct daily violation even if they are not a party to the deal. Israel can not and will not let up in Lebanon as to do so would mean a strategic defeat against Hezbollah. Iran can not and will not abandon Hezbollah. If Iran abandons Hezbollah, it signals weakness and unravels decades of hard and soft power investment in the region. Failure to respond would devastate their regional credibility. While for Israel, failure to root out Hezbollah will mean future threat from Lebanon. Iran will respond - in moderation, yes, but they will respond. I do not see Israel being able to achieve their stated military goal of a complete victory over Hezbollah within 60 days. I do not think they will be given 60 days and they will be forced to respond to Iran's attack when it comes.

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Iran and Israel are STILL firing ballistic missiles at each other, with the last volley occurring 10 days ago. It is highly likely that this will resume while Israel continues its special military operation in Lebanon.

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Jun 18 2026 12:45pm
Prove they acquired nukes.


You can't neither can Google.

No, Iran does not have nuclear weapons. Both U.S. intelligence agencies and the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) assess that Iran halted its organized nuclear weapons development program in 2003 and has never made the political decision to cross the threshold of building an actual bomb.


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Jun 18 2026 12:58pm
You have a very short memory if you’re trying to rewrite history to claim Israel can't handle Iran without the US doing 'most of the legwork.'
Let’s look at the actual operational ledger of this war. Israel is the one that has carried out the overwhelming majority of the precision strikes inside Iran—systematically dismantling their air defenses, hitting their nuclear enrichment sites, and taking out their command infrastructure. The US didn't do the heavy lifting on the ground or in the skies over Tehran; they provided defensive interceptor support and launched their own targeted campaigns against specific naval assets.
But you're completely changing the definition of 'beating' an enemy just to salvage your failed prediction. First you ranted that Israel couldn't handle Iran's proxies and that we 'bit off more than we could chew.' Now that the IDF has locked down the northern border and pushed Hezbollah past the Litani, you suddenly flip the script and call the proxies 'swatting flies' and 'child's play' just to move the goalposts.
The US isn't backing out because of a military failure; they are backing out because their political leadership lacks long-term strategic stamina. Trump and JD Vance are scrambling for a 60-day review period because an election is coming up, not because Iran is winning. When the White House has to stand at a press podium and literally argue that a terrorist regime needs ballistic missiles for 'self-defense,' it isn’t a strategic victory it's an embarrassing diplomatic capitulation to buy short-term domestic quiet.


where are you getting this from specifically. when and where did i say you bit off more than you can chew with proxies.

as to the rest you're playing a semantic game. we provided cover so you could bomb iran, fine, and if we're not providing cover you can't bomb iran. if we're in a peace deal and you try and disrupt it you shouldn't expect cover. get in the bunker.

This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 18 2026 12:59pm
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