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Jun 16 2026 02:36pm
Think about it like this: a country of 2 billion people sits 1,000 km from your home, threatening to wipe you off the face of the earth because of religious extremist ideology. There is no way to make peace with them because their only solution is your total destruction. What do you do?

Edit: they are actively working towards weapons of mass destruction and they built a ring of fire around you
Really whats your solution?


you can always move to New York city lol or are you saying it is better that 5 million kill 2billion? :wacko:
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Jun 16 2026 02:51pm
honest question, because i agree that "Should we stop them" is a pretty universally accepted "yes", outside of whacky Islamic terrorist apologists.

What is the answer to "can we stop them". at least in non-nuclear weapon strike context.

we gave them hell already, and between 50-70% of their missile launch platforms are intact. we took their centralized command structure and turned it into a loosely connected fractured structure with local commanders all following a pre-planned list of protocols. we haven't depleted their missiles even with good estimates, nor have we stopped their missile production. the straight can be closed at any time, and we can't stop them from closing it.

im not a neocon, but at least in Iraq i understood the gameplan, and it worked. occupation was the issue. and the millions we killed, but thats not tactics talk. but how do we beat iran in any way that doesnt involve nuclear weapons.


The only thing we 100% need to maintain a victory is pretty simply achieved. If they refuse to give up their HEU we bomb every single attempt to retrieve it. It's already buried under a lot of rubble and a fairly extensive effort would be required to dig it up, easily visible.

We bomb every attempt to construct centrifuges.

This is very little bombing required if they refuse to negotiate on the stockpile and future enrichment.

In all likelihood they will turn over their stockpile and they will agree to halt enrichment. This will only last as long as we have a president willing to ensure they hold up their end, but once we have the HEU their nuclear latency is set back to probably to 2+ years because their centrifuges are buried, damaged/destroyed but at the very least to 1 year.
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Jun 16 2026 03:49pm
a 1 step plan isnt a plan.

you siege, the people rise up. then what? you either have to give control to someone, who will invariably by corrupted by Islamic extremists. Or you occupy to prevent that from happening, and fail at that too because of the size of the country.

you think Iran is populated by a majority of people who are sensible and will overthrow the government and then transform it into a friendly compliant neighbor? Bring back the Shah?


The US is disengaging from Iran - for now. The US is unlikely to start bombing Iran again in 2026 due to political blowback in the US. In order to change position Iran would have to carry out some kind of attack on Israel. Iran is likely to carry out an attack on Israel if Israel continues to seek a total victory in Lebanon. The disengagement between the US and Iran does not Include Israel. Dealing directly with Iran is simply a non-runner for Israel. In practical terms, Israeli lacks the volume to beat Iran, whether it be bombs or men.

Moving on from Iran, it's all about Lebanon. Israel has no intention of relenting there. Israel wants a total victory in Lebanon - because otherwise, the two years of pissing off the international community will have been meaningless. The problem is that the level of operation required to invade and remove Hezbollah is likely to provoke an Iranian response. So the critical question right now is: at what point will Israeli action trigger Iran, especially given that Iran has an agreement with the US? and what will the US response be in such an eventuality.
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Jun 16 2026 03:58pm
The Iran war has cost anywhere between $25 - $50 billion dollars, and may exceed $1 trillion before it's all over.

Trump says he ‘never cared’ about Iran regime change, claims new leaders are ‘not radicalized’


So......why did dementia Donny start a war for Isreal?

https://nypost.com/2026/06/16/us-news/trump-says-he-never-cared-about-iran-regime-change-claims-new-leaders-are-not-radicalized/


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Jun 16 2026 08:26pm
you can always move to New York city lol or are you saying it is better that 5 million kill 2billion? :wacko:


I was talking about you, 330 million americans against 2 billion
Moving to New York where you have an Anti Semitic mayor?
The US is disengaging from Iran - for now. The US is unlikely to start bombing Iran again in 2026 due to political blowback in the US. In order to change position Iran would have to carry out some kind of attack on Israel. Iran is likely to carry out an attack on Israel if Israel continues to seek a total victory in Lebanon. The disengagement between the US and Iran does not Include Israel. Dealing directly with Iran is simply a non-runner for Israel. In practical terms, Israeli lacks the volume to beat Iran, whether it be bombs or men.

Moving on from Iran, it's all about Lebanon. Israel has no intention of relenting there. Israel wants a total victory in Lebanon - because otherwise, the two years of pissing off the international community will have been meaningless. The problem is that the level of operation required to invade and remove Hezbollah is likely to provoke an Iranian response. So the critical question right now is: at what point will Israeli action trigger Iran, especially given that Iran has an agreement with the US? and what will the US response be in such an eventuality.


Not reaching total victory in Lebanon means more rounds of wars and death.
Whats the point?
What conflict do we have with Lebanon?
Its not territorial so what is it?

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Jun 17 2026 03:23am
I was talking about you, 330 million americans against 2 billion
Moving to New York where you have an Anti Semitic mayor?


Not reaching total victory in Lebanon means more rounds of wars and death.
Whats the point?
What conflict do we have with Lebanon?
Its not territorial so what is it?


sorry if i was not clear: The conflict is about neutralizing a heavily armed Iranian proxy on Israel's border that has shown it will attack when conditions suit it.
cheers.
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Jun 17 2026 05:54am
the Naval blockade hurt them, but i dont think id go as far as to say its why they agreed to any kind of a deal. they're not really giving up much of anything realistically. They still have all of their missiles, platforms, manufacturing sites, and most importantly sovereignty. They dont even need a nuke, or uranium enrichment. Israel and the USA will suspect them of enriching in secret regardless, and they can play the robber with a finger gun pointing out of his coat pocket, its Schrodinger's nuke. And what will we do? restart the war after we release a massive amount of cash to them from seized assets, pay them reparations, and allow them to toll the strait? All in a lame duck post-midterms last Trump term?

we had this one shot, Iran has forever. or at least until demand for global oil drops so low that the middle east is kicked back into the stone age economically. so like 100-200 years?


All this dooming...
Regarding the bolded: you're jumping to conclusions without knowing the details of the agreement. For example the reparations - it's just extremely unlikely that the US, or the Gulf states which Iran just bombed without hesitation, would agree to that.

Let's just wait until Friday to see what the actual deal looks like (and if it actually gets signed...)
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Jun 17 2026 06:05am
All this dooming...
Regarding the bolded: you're jumping to conclusions without knowing the details of the agreement. For example the reparations - it's just extremely unlikely that the US, or the Gulf states which Iran just bombed without hesitation, would agree to that.

Let's just wait until Friday to see what the actual deal looks like (and if it actually gets signed...)


I dont think thats logical. We have news Iran is in preliminary agreement to a deal. they have no reason to sign a deal that isn't advantageous to them. so we can assume by extension that the deal itself is advantageous to them, which means money and control of the strait. Nuclear was always a bit of a red herring in the deal talks, Iran knew they couldn't secure a deal that included it after this war, and the US would never allow it, and given that they can just bomb the strait or our gulf allies' infrastructure its not even needed as desperately as it looked to be needed a few years ago. we lived in a deluded reality where the world assumed Iran needed a nuke to prevent the US and Israel from eventually taking it down. Well we tried to foment revolution, they put it down. We tried to kill their leader to compel a surrender, they didn't surrender. we tried to bomb them into submission, and failed. they took the upper hand and closed the straight, so we countered, and they took the upper hand again and bombed gas refineries. We're losing, so we can't even hope for a deal that we win with. its not dooming, its observation.
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Jun 17 2026 06:33am
I dont think thats logical. We have news Iran is in preliminary agreement to a deal. they have no reason to sign a deal that isn't advantageous to them. so we can assume by extension that the deal itself is advantageous to them, which means money and control of the strait. Nuclear was always a bit of a red herring in the deal talks, Iran knew they couldn't secure a deal that included it after this war, and the US would never allow it, and given that they can just bomb the strait or our gulf allies' infrastructure its not even needed as desperately as it looked to be needed a few years ago. we lived in a deluded reality where the world assumed Iran needed a nuke to prevent the US and Israel from eventually taking it down. Well we tried to foment revolution, they put it down. We tried to kill their leader to compel a surrender, they didn't surrender. we tried to bomb them into submission, and failed. they took the upper hand and closed the straight, so we countered, and they took the upper hand again and bombed gas refineries. We're losing, so we can't even hope for a deal that we win with. its not dooming, its observation.


I gotta disagree with the basic premise of all of that. We stopped the bombing early on and could bomb them a lot more if we wanted to. Particularly their entire oil infrastructure, in retaliation after they go scorched earth on the Gulf states' oil infrastructure. A significant chunk of their own population genuinely hates their guts and remains in a prerevolutionary mood. If nothing else, this forces them to keep dedicating a lot of resources and manpower toward keeping their populace at bay.

Regarding the US in particular: North America is a net exporter of oil and gas. In an all-out war scenario, they could cope with a longterm closure of the strait, or destruction of the Gulf infrastructure. They would need to issue exports control, and the global economy would tank, which is both really bad for the shareholders. But in an existential crisis, NA could weather this storm. Could the Iranian regime weather a permanent loss of their oil revenue? Most definitely not.



The way I see it, Iran just barely hung on in this war, mainly because they were able to retain their threat potential. Via attacks on the Gulf infrastructure and tankers, they were able to threaten the infliction of just enough economic damage to dissuade the US from further escalation. Nonetheless, the blockade of their ports inflicted serious economic damage on them, as did the bombings. Their military, leadership and significant chunks of their arms industry are destroyed. (Unfortunately, primitive rockets and drones aren't exactly high-tech and can be produced in decentralized fashion.)

Furthermore, their previous strategy of deterring a US/ISR attack via their proxies in Lebanon/Gaza/Yemen has proven to be a spectacular failure. Their uranium enriching facilities lie in ruins, and I really doubt that it would be easy for them to just dig up the buried uranium they had already enriched and continue from there. The Gulf states will build bypasses to the Strait, which Iran won't be able to permanently stop. (Bombing pipelines is very inefficient.)

And while their threat of going scorched earth on the Gulf infrastructure is a powerful tool, it would inevitably trigger a new war if they go through with it, so it's a deterrence to stop us from attacking them, but not something they could realistically leverage into new aggression/offense of their own.



So my personal tldr is that Iran was able to get to a stalemate from an unfavorable starting position, but they are clearly weaker than they were before and you can hardly call all of that a "win" for them.

This post was edited by Black XistenZ on Jun 17 2026 06:36am
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All this dooming...
Regarding the bolded: you're jumping to conclusions without knowing the details of the agreement. For example the reparations - it's just extremely unlikely that the US, or the Gulf states which Iran just bombed without hesitation, would agree to that.

Let's just wait until Friday to see what the actual deal looks like (and if it actually gets signed...)


It's been signed

Now what do you say?

This is a us surrender lmfao

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