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Jun 16 2026 11:07am
They had(have) enough 60% uranium to make 10 nuclear weapons. 60% is very close to weapons grade. It's buried under debris, but it still exists and can easily be dug up and enriched to weapons grade if we allow it.

They began enriching past the bounds of jcpoa basically the exact moment that Joe Biden became president. He condemned the act and tried to negotiate to no effect.

Biden repeatedly said "The United States of America will not allow Iran to acquire nuclear weapons" but they have never been closer than they were during his presidency.

You can go look up his comments on it, he knew they were enriching to 60%. Just because you're ignorant doesn't mean this is some bizarre conspiracy theory. Democrats and Republicans all knew it was happening and that allowing it was inconceivable, you're the only person in denial about this.


honest question, because i agree that "Should we stop them" is a pretty universally accepted "yes", outside of whacky Islamic terrorist apologists.

What is the answer to "can we stop them". at least in non-nuclear weapon strike context.

we gave them hell already, and between 50-70% of their missile launch platforms are intact. we took their centralized command structure and turned it into a loosely connected fractured structure with local commanders all following a pre-planned list of protocols. we haven't depleted their missiles even with good estimates, nor have we stopped their missile production. the straight can be closed at any time, and we can't stop them from closing it.

im not a neocon, but at least in Iraq i understood the gameplan, and it worked. occupation was the issue. and the millions we killed, but thats not tactics talk. but how do we beat iran in any way that doesnt involve nuclear weapons.
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Jun 16 2026 11:46am
honest question, because i agree that "Should we stop them" is a pretty universally accepted "yes", outside of whacky Islamic terrorist apologists.

What is the answer to "can we stop them". at least in non-nuclear weapon strike context.

we gave them hell already, and between 50-70% of their missile launch platforms are intact. we took their centralized command structure and turned it into a loosely connected fractured structure with local commanders all following a pre-planned list of protocols. we haven't depleted their missiles even with good estimates, nor have we stopped their missile production. the straight can be closed at any time, and we can't stop them from closing it.

im not a neocon, but at least in Iraq i understood the gameplan, and it worked. occupation was the issue. and the millions we killed, but thats not tactics talk. but how do we beat iran in any way that doesnt involve nuclear weapons.


Boots on the ground, huge coalition of states including Arabs and Euros that really have no appetite for a war of this scale. Something that would run into the trillions when we can barely cover interest payments on the current 40TR and realistically would not pass congress. Not even the neocons in congress would be bold enough to start a war of this scale, because they understand it would be extremely unpopular and the average American today has no appetite for Iraq or Afghanistan 2.0.

That's the thing these people. They love to be critical but don't ever have an alternative. Saying things like we can't allow them to have X or do Y but what are your tangible next steps for how you actually solve things. Reality is there is no easy fix.


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Jun 16 2026 12:06pm
There is a bid difference between Iran and U.S vrs Russia and a bordering country building up military nato arming nazi's lol Russia is supposed what just stop war? lmao and watch Nato reload ? Putin's mistake was waiting so long after the 2014 coup and just trying negotiate a peace.


I've BEEN saying - Russian propaganda is world class :hail:
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Jun 16 2026 12:13pm
Boots on the ground, huge coalition of states including Arabs and Euros that really have no appetite for a war of this scale. Something that would run into the trillions when we can barely cover interest payments on the current 40TR and realistically would not pass congress. Not even the neocons in congress would be bold enough to start a war of this scale, because they understand it would be extremely unpopular and the average American today has no appetite for Iraq or Afghanistan 2.0.

That's the thing these people. They love to be critical but don't ever have an alternative. Saying things like we can't allow them to have X or do Y but what are your tangible next steps for how you actually solve things. Reality is there is no easy fix.


these people have dull tools, they've spent decades arguing points like "does Israel have a right to exist", which is only something a seriously extreme person would ever disagree with. When your only opponents are low iq extremists you get as overconfident as a boxer that's been feed a string of bums to pad his record.
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Jun 16 2026 12:21pm
honest question, because i agree that "Should we stop them" is a pretty universally accepted "yes", outside of whacky Islamic terrorist apologists.

What is the answer to "can we stop them". at least in non-nuclear weapon strike context.

we gave them hell already, and between 50-70% of their missile launch platforms are intact. we took their centralized command structure and turned it into a loosely connected fractured structure with local commanders all following a pre-planned list of protocols. we haven't depleted their missiles even with good estimates, nor have we stopped their missile production. the straight can be closed at any time, and we can't stop them from closing it.

im not a neocon, but at least in Iraq i understood the gameplan, and it worked. occupation was the issue. and the millions we killed, but thats not tactics talk. but how do we beat iran in any way that doesnt involve nuclear weapons.

The naval blockade of Iranian ports has more or less balanced out their closure of the Strait of Hormuz, at least in terms of "economic pain inflicted on the other side". Otherwise, they wouldn't have agreed to any kind of deal.

Also note that the Arab states in the Gulf will have realized their strategic vulnerability and build more east-west pipelines which can bypass the Strait; say from the UAE to Oman or from the Saudi gas fields to the Saudi west coast. Them shelling the oil infrastructure of the Gulf region (refineries, ports) seems like the bigger threat. Closing the Strait was a trump card they were imho only able to play to full effect once.
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Jun 16 2026 12:38pm
honest question, because i agree that "Should we stop them" is a pretty universally accepted "yes", outside of whacky Islamic terrorist apologists.

What is the answer to "can we stop them". at least in non-nuclear weapon strike context.

we gave them hell already, and between 50-70% of their missile launch platforms are intact. we took their centralized command structure and turned it into a loosely connected fractured structure with local commanders all following a pre-planned list of protocols. we haven't depleted their missiles even with good estimates, nor have we stopped their missile production. the straight can be closed at any time, and we can't stop them from closing it.

im not a neocon, but at least in Iraq i understood the gameplan, and it worked. occupation was the issue. and the millions we killed, but thats not tactics talk. but how do we beat iran in any way that doesnt involve nuclear weapons.


Choke them until they surrender,
The progressive West fails to grasp that war is a national event, not a criminal matter to be handled through the lens of law enforcement. There is no such thing as 'collective punishment' in a state of war.
Force them to their knees, they already down we only need to siege them long enough so their own would strangle their leaders.
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Jun 16 2026 12:39pm
The naval blockade of Iranian ports has more or less balanced out their closure of the Strait of Hormuz, at least in terms of "economic pain inflicted on the other side". Otherwise, they wouldn't have agreed to any kind of deal.

Also note that the Arab states in the Gulf will have realized their strategic vulnerability and build more east-west pipelines which can bypass the Strait; say from the UAE to Oman or from the Saudi gas fields to the Saudi west coast. Them shelling the oil infrastructure of the Gulf region (refineries, ports) seems like the bigger threat. Closing the Strait was a trump card they were imho only able to play to full effect once.


They will build those pipe lines the problem is Iran will be nuclear by then
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Jun 16 2026 12:42pm
The naval blockade of Iranian ports has more or less balanced out their closure of the Strait of Hormuz, at least in terms of "economic pain inflicted on the other side". Otherwise, they wouldn't have agreed to any kind of deal.

Also note that the Arab states in the Gulf will have realized their strategic vulnerability and build more east-west pipelines which can bypass the Strait; say from the UAE to Oman or from the Saudi gas fields to the Saudi west coast. Them shelling the oil infrastructure of the Gulf region (refineries, ports) seems like the bigger threat. Closing the Strait was a trump card they were imho only able to play to full effect once.


the Naval blockade hurt them, but i dont think id go as far as to say its why they agreed to any kind of a deal. they're not really giving up much of anything realistically. They still have all of their missiles, platforms, manufacturing sites, and most importantly sovereignty. They dont even need a nuke, or uranium enrichment. Israel and the USA will suspect them of enriching in secret regardless, and they can play the robber with a finger gun pointing out of his coat pocket, its Schrodinger's nuke. And what will we do? restart the war after we release a massive amount of cash to them from seized assets, pay them reparations, and allow them to toll the strait? All in a lame duck post-midterms last Trump term?

we had this one shot, Iran has forever. or at least until demand for global oil drops so low that the middle east is kicked back into the stone age economically. so like 100-200 years?
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Jun 16 2026 12:43pm
Choke them until they surrender,
The progressive West fails to grasp that war is a national event, not a criminal matter to be handled through the lens of law enforcement. There is no such thing as 'collective punishment' in a state of war.
Force them to their knees, they already down we only need to siege them long enough so their own would strangle their leaders.


how'd that work in Gaza? are people turning over all of the Hamas soldiers? You cant even get the Lebanese to turn over Hezbollah.
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Jun 16 2026 12:44pm
how'd that work in Gaza? are people turning over all of the Hamas soldiers? You cant even get the Lebanese to turn over Hezbollah.


We blinked the entire woke civilization came down on us.
If we kept the siege they would have surrendered
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