It is not that the US has a right to discriminate, its that it does discriminate for its own reasons, which the US (right or wrong) sees as necessary to protest itself. I dont understand what you mean by "but they are hostile", I think a better way of framing it is: The US has interests not allies, and chooses to be hostile to those nations that infringe on US interests. However this notion of hostility is separate from this debate, unless I overlooked something in this conversation? To repeat what I said earlier : there is nothing wrong with the US defending itself from criminals, but being hostile to a person, based on their nationality, is discrimination. The US is the most capable country on the planet, and should therefore be capable enough to defend itself from hostile forces without blanket-hostility toward everyone from a given country.

i.e. barring a referee because of his nationality, while KNOWING he is not a threat, is just dumb.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 15 2026 11:15am

you were the one that said that Trump has created a hostile environment for foreigners traveling for the world cup...

This post was edited by C4NTWO on Jun 15 2026 11:14am

thanks for clarification, and yes, I stand by that. Do you disagree with that assessment?

yes, because a country protecting itself by restricting access should not be viewed as "hostility"... because it isnt.

This post was edited by C4NTWO on Jun 15 2026 11:32am

Its the 250th anniversary of the USA? what more is there to comment on? How is that a "minefield"?!?!?!? I really dont understand this comment. Do you want to just say you hate America? Go ahead and say it for the record. And go on defending nations like IRAN and China.






Lets just make one thing clear so we all understand and are in agreement. CHINA CP does not play by the "rules". They steal intellectual property, unleash Covid upon the world, say it originated from a market in the city... Doesnt seem fair to me...


As for ticket sellers. are you talking about something like Ticketmaster? Ya idk seems like the prices are similar to what they were 12 years ago, inflated some. But you are forgetting one thing these services provide. when you purchase thru them you are getting a verified ticket and not a counterfeit. So that is good. There are a finite number of tickets per game, not all can go that want to probably. If the tickets go unsold, seller takes big loss. So thats good. then market correct, ticket price goes lower? I dont really understand your issue? Not everyone can go, Money gets you things and buys things you want, usually how it works. What do you suggest? Everyone who wants ticket puts name in raffle? and winners have to provide ID and fingerprints to assure they dont resell their tickets? Seems very un-american to me. Just to attend a sporting event... Remember USA is host nation, maybe just understand those coming to view are visitors and they should respect other nations and their customs. If capitalism is American, respect it and pay for the ticket, Or dont come at all and watch on your TV.

And for the record, im not a big fan of resellers or the model but they provide a service and probably make accessing tickets easier and eliminates black market scammers ripping people off. So there are some benefits.

This post was edited by GuyLadouche on Jun 18 2026 06:03pm

meanwhile in reality people are just celebrating and enjoying themselves

So just to highlight what happened here. I said I would not comment on the 250 year anniversary as its a mine field (i.e. anything I say about it may result in me being flamed) you then validated my argument by projecting "Do you want to just say you hate America? Go ahead and say it for the record." so again, I am not going to comment on the 250 year anniversary, noting your bias.

Moving on...your saying the ticket prices are what they were 12 years ago, inflated some, when in fact, this is simply not true.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 18 2026 06:53pm

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7391986/2026/06/24/world-cup-pride-match-seattle-flags/



Where do our fellow chickens for kfc advocates stand on this one?
I for one rejoice at the thought of both progressives and conservatives agreeing to give the middle finger to Iran.

On June 23, the U.S. allowed Iran's team to enter the country two days before their final World Cup match - instead of the one-day window imposed for their first two games. Why the change? Easy. By then, Iran had already lost twice and been knocked out. They were harmless. If the U.S. truly believed Iranian players posed a security risk, that risk wouldn't disappear because of two football losses. But once Iran could no longer advance, there was no longer any PR downside to being "generous." The strict one-day rule, the visa bans for 15 officials, the forced return to Mexico after every match - all of that was in place while Iran still mattered. The moment they didn't, the rules magically eased. That's not security. That's pettiness.

Either keep it at 2 days and stick with your story of security risk, or do this and be seen to be petty.

Faulty information leads to faulty conclusions.

Iran, like all of the shitty teams that shouldn't be there, plays with 10 defenders against any competent team and tries their little hearts out for ties. They have two ties so far, they have not lost twice as you claimed and they have not been knocked out. The world cup starts in the third round, it's a weird joke until then with all these terrible teams. They are in second place in their group with one game left to play, even a third place finish gives them a chance to advance, because, again, this world cup is a joke until rd 3.

48 teams is way too many.

But srs, if you don't watch soccer that's fine. Everyone calls me gay for liking it, yer probably better off. You decided that there was a conspiracy and invented facts to prove it. Anyone can google Iran's world cup standing and see that you made all this up tho...



Also fk Brazil

and I hope England doesn't play Scotland next. I don't have any idea how the dumb system they're using works but apparently it's a possibility.

This post was edited by Shadowoffury on Jun 25 2026 07:20pm