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Jun 15 2026 04:48am
The current situation is deeply frustrating because it feels like Washington is throwing Israel under the bus just to secure a diplomatic trophy in Switzerland. The IDF is a world-class, hyper-lethal military machinery that is nothing like the American army in Vietnam; our soldiers are masters of guerrilla and subterranean warfare fighting directly on our own doorstep. In just about ten days of intense maneuvering, our ground forces proved their sheer capability by breaking through to the Litani River and shattering Hezbollah’s front-line defenses. If the political green light were given, the IDF has the tactical superiority to decisively clear everything up to Beirut within a few weeks. Instead, this hard-won military victory is being hijacked by politics, freezing our forces in place right when a terminally weak enemy was on the verge of choking out. Giving a battered, economically broken Iranian regime a lifeline right now is a catastrophic historical mistake, making Trump look much more like Neville Chamberlain than Winston Churchill. By prioritizing a fragile, temporary "peace in our time" to lower global oil prices, the White House is choosing the path of appeasement over total victory. Just as Chamberlain's illusions in 1938 only guaranteed a far more devastating conflict down the road, this Swiss deal merely allows a genocidal regime to catch its breath, stabilize its currency, and rearm its proxies. True security will never come from signing papers with a regime that funds a ring of fire on our borders; it only comes from Churchillian defiance and unleashing overwhelming, asymmetric force to finish the job.
But…. Maybe Trump giving the Iranians enough rope to hang themselves…
If the regime takes that money and spends it on rebuilding Hezbollah or the Houthis instead of fixing their hyper-inflated economy, the internal revolution inside Iran will explode

If they try to cheat on the nuclear terms during the 60 days, Trump can immediately claim he tried diplomacy, blame Tehran for breaking the peace, and re-impose the naval blockade with total international legitimacy.

I don’t know what is going to happen but right now I feel like Trump is sacrificing us..


Your entire argument is based on the premise that 1.) total victory over an opponent like Hezbollah is even possible and 2.) that such a total victory was imminent.

"Two weeks to flatten the curve Hezbollah"

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Jun 15 2026 06:01am
The current situation is deeply frustrating because it feels like Washington is throwing Israel under the bus just to secure a diplomatic trophy in Switzerland. The IDF is a world-class, hyper-lethal military machinery that is nothing like the American army in Vietnam; our soldiers are masters of guerrilla and subterranean warfare fighting directly on our own doorstep. In just about ten days of intense maneuvering, our ground forces proved their sheer capability by breaking through to the Litani River and shattering Hezbollah’s front-line defenses. If the political green light were given, the IDF has the tactical superiority to decisively clear everything up to Beirut within a few weeks. Instead, this hard-won military victory is being hijacked by politics, freezing our forces in place right when a terminally weak enemy was on the verge of choking out. Giving a battered, economically broken Iranian regime a lifeline right now is a catastrophic historical mistake, making Trump look much more like Neville Chamberlain than Winston Churchill. By prioritizing a fragile, temporary "peace in our time" to lower global oil prices, the White House is choosing the path of appeasement over total victory. Just as Chamberlain's illusions in 1938 only guaranteed a far more devastating conflict down the road, this Swiss deal merely allows a genocidal regime to catch its breath, stabilize its currency, and rearm its proxies. True security will never come from signing papers with a regime that funds a ring of fire on our borders; it only comes from Churchillian defiance and unleashing overwhelming, asymmetric force to finish the job.
But…. Maybe Trump giving the Iranians enough rope to hang themselves…
If the regime takes that money and spends it on rebuilding Hezbollah or the Houthis instead of fixing their hyper-inflated economy, the internal revolution inside Iran will explode

If they try to cheat on the nuclear terms during the 60 days, Trump can immediately claim he tried diplomacy, blame Tehran for breaking the peace, and re-impose the naval blockade with total international legitimacy.

I don’t know what is going to happen but right now I feel like Trump is sacrificing us..


You are not wrong. Donald Trump is operating under the pressure of impending U.S. midterm elections in November 2026. That gives him less than five months to prevent current (or new) conflicts from damaging the U.S. economy and negatively affect Republican electoral prospects. As a result, Trump’s incentives are not necessarily aligned with Israel’s. While Israel may see an opportunity to press its military advantage, Trump may be more focused on de-escalation and political stability ahead of the midterms. From Israel’s perspective, this divergence in priorities can be interpreted as Washington failing to fully support Israeli strategic objectives at a critical moment.

Just as the US engaged Russia on European security while sidelining Europe, only for Russia to later invade Ukraine, the US has now negotiated a ceasefire with Iran without including Israel. So the US basically screwed over Europe, and is now screwing over Israel. In both cases, Washington acted as the primary negotiator with an adversarial power, leaving its closest allies to face the direct security consequences. From Israel’s perspective, this parallel is not lost: being left out of talks with a hostile regime that threatens its existence echoes Europe’s pre-2022 position, and it fundamentally erodes trust in US reliability as an ally.

While there are a lot of critic's of Israel, at a certain point you have to look at these events and seriously question this notion of 'Interests - not allies'.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 15 2026 06:31am
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The current situation is deeply frustrating because it feels like Washington is throwing Israel under the bus just to secure a diplomatic trophy in Switzerland. The IDF is a world-class, hyper-lethal military machinery that is nothing like the American army in Vietnam; our soldiers are masters of guerrilla and subterranean warfare fighting directly on our own doorstep. In just about ten days of intense maneuvering, our ground forces proved their sheer capability by breaking through to the Litani River and shattering Hezbollah’s front-line defenses. If the political green light were given, the IDF has the tactical superiority to decisively clear everything up to Beirut within a few weeks. Instead, this hard-won military victory is being hijacked by politics, freezing our forces in place right when a terminally weak enemy was on the verge of choking out. Giving a battered, economically broken Iranian regime a lifeline right now is a catastrophic historical mistake, making Trump look much more like Neville Chamberlain than Winston Churchill. By prioritizing a fragile, temporary "peace in our time" to lower global oil prices, the White House is choosing the path of appeasement over total victory. Just as Chamberlain's illusions in 1938 only guaranteed a far more devastating conflict down the road, this Swiss deal merely allows a genocidal regime to catch its breath, stabilize its currency, and rearm its proxies. True security will never come from signing papers with a regime that funds a ring of fire on our borders; it only comes from Churchillian defiance and unleashing overwhelming, asymmetric force to finish the job.
But…. Maybe Trump giving the Iranians enough rope to hang themselves…
If the regime takes that money and spends it on rebuilding Hezbollah or the Houthis instead of fixing their hyper-inflated economy, the internal revolution inside Iran will explode

If they try to cheat on the nuclear terms during the 60 days, Trump can immediately claim he tried diplomacy, blame Tehran for breaking the peace, and re-impose the naval blockade with total international legitimacy.

I don’t know what is going to happen but right now I feel like Trump is sacrificing us..


Is the general population boots on the ground communities in Israel favorable towards the war effort against Iran? Or perhaps mixed bag?

Back in the USA where I live it's very unfavorable.

Ultimately this is not a war of USA against Iran it's a war of Israel against Iran and its proxies. If Israel wants to achieve its goals y'all better be willing to go solo. I think the aggregate constituent base here is favorable towards funding but very against deploying troops.

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Jun 15 2026 06:36am
Is the general population boots on the ground communities in Israel favorable towards the war effort against Iran? Or perhaps mixed bag?

Back in the USA where I live it's very unfavorable.

Ultimately this is not a war of USA against Iran it's a war of Israel against Iran and its proxies. If Israel wants to achieve its goals y'all better be willing to go solo. I think the aggregate constituent base here is favorable towards funding but very against deploying troops.


We are willing to go solo. The problem isn't willingness or ability; it's the fact that we are being stopped.

We could have finished Hamas in Gaza, we could finish Hezbollah in Lebanon, and we could have kept bombing Iran into oblivion. But the US almost seems to want us in survival mode forever, almost as if it is afraid of us breaking through these challenges
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Jun 15 2026 06:37am
Your entire argument is based on the premise that 1.) total victory over an opponent like Hezbollah is even possible and 2.) that such a total victory was imminent.

"Two weeks to flatten the curve Hezbollah"


Once we get the green light we run them over, its not an assumption…
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Jun 15 2026 06:45am
We are willing to go solo. The problem isn't willingness or ability; it's the fact that we are being stopped.

We could have finished Hamas in Gaza, we could finish Hezbollah in Lebanon, and we could have kept bombing Iran into oblivion. But the US almost seems to want us in survival mode forever, almost as if it is afraid of us breaking through these challenges


From an Israeli perspective - I can see how Israel simply has to keep pushing in Lebanon. There is simply no way that Israel can agree to this US - Iran cease fire. If Israel agrees to this cease fire, then everything over the last two years will have been for nothing - Israel did all the fighting, Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, it took all of the international condemnation, it absorbed all of the psychological blowback, and now the US is stopping Israel from a total victory, meaning everything before was mowing the lawn, and not towards a total victory. From Israel's perspective, every bomb was one bomb closer to a final victory, but now, with the US saying no to the notion of a final victory, every bomb that has already been dropped was instead a seed for the next war.

Pretty sure Israel is totally pissed with the US right now and I dont blame them.

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From an Israeli perspective - I can see how Israel simply has to keep pushing in Lebanon. There is simply no way that Israel can agree to this US - Iran cease fire. If Israel agrees to this cease fire, then everything over the last two years will have been for nothing - Israel did all the fighting, Gaza, Lebanon, Iran, it took all of the international condemnation, it absorbed all of the psychological blowback, and now the US is stopping Israel from a total victory, meaning everything before was mowing the lawn, and not towards a total victory. From Israel's perspective, every bomb was one bomb closer to a final victory, but now, with the US saying no to the notion of a final victory, every bomb that has already been dropped was instead a seed for the next war.

Pretty sure Israel is totally pissed with the US right now and I dont blame them.



You can hear the voices in Lebanon people are tired of Hezbollah, which means they have lost the support of their own people.

Every time we are close to achieving total victory, the US stops us. Either they are stupid, or they simply want to keep us as their playground.

The only time we disobeyed the US was during the Yom Kippur War, when we surrounded and starved the Egyptian Third Army. That is what forced Sadat to fly to Israel, leading to a peace deal six years later.

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Jun 15 2026 07:23am
You can hear the voices in Lebanon people are tired of Hezbollah, which means they have lost the support of their own people.

Every time we are close to achieving total victory, the US stops us. Either they are stupid, or they simply want to keep us as their playground.

The only time we disobeyed the US was during the Yom Kippur War, when we surrounded and starved the Egyptian Third Army. That is what forced Sadat to fly to Israel, leading to a peace deal six years later.


its not that the US wants to keep the status quo, its that US interests are currently more focused on other interests, i.e. domestic politics and international politics, i.e. global affairs, where Israel's portion is seen as being of less importance, at the moment. From a US perspective, they believe that de-escalating the conflict is in their interests right now, and they simply are not considering Israeli interests. It is a complete misread by the US. They never should have negotiated with Iran without Israel, just as they never should have negotiated with Russia without Ukraine and Europe.

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its not that the US wants to keep the status quo, its that US interests are currently more focused on other interests, i.e. domestic politics and international politics, i.e. global affairs, where Israel's portion is seen as being of less importance, at the moment. From a US perspective, they believe that de-escalating the conflict is in their interests right now, and they simply are not considering Israeli interests. It is a complete misread by the US. They never should have negotiated with Iran without Israel, just as they never should have negotiated with Russia without Ukraine and Europe.


This is going to blow up really hard

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Jun 15 2026 07:40am
This is going to blow up really hard


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