You are moving the goalposts so fast it’s giving me whiplash.
Your original argument was that it is mathematically impossible to stop a radicalized population from producing a loop of endless terrorism unless you kill or ethnically cleanse them all. Now that the historical examples of Germany and Japan completely shattered that theory, you're trying to pivot by saying, 'Well, Germany and Japan were different because we disarmed them.'
Exactly! That is my entire point. Thank you for finally agreeing with me.
You don't achieve disarmament by asking a fascist regime nicely to sign a piece of paper. You achieve disarmament by destroying their military and governing apparatus, taking total security control, and physically stripping away their ability to import weapons or build military infrastructure. That is precisely what 'neutering' a regime looks like, and it is exactly what Israel is doing to Hamas.
Your claim that 'Hamas won't surrender, so it's impossible' is a completely defeatist logic. The Allies didn't wait for every single Nazi holdout in the mountains to formally agree to a surrender before they began demilitarizing Germany. They broke the back of the regime, took control of the territory, and made it physically impossible for them to rearm.
You can call historical facts 'vague propaganda' all you want, but you just explicitly admitted that breaking a regime and enforcing disarmament is how you end a forever war. Israel is doing the heavy lifting of enforcing that exact disarmament on a genocidal terror network, whether Hamas likes it or not.
you're just trying to twist my arguments to fit your narrative. i said specifically you wont be successful because you will invariably pull out of Gaza, i even said specifically you wont make it 10 years in a military occupation post war.
as to surrender its not about chasing down every militant in the mountains, its about the leadership will resume rearming them at the first opportunity. they're not in gaza, as you well know, and they can't be trusted, as you well know.
lets game it out.
war "ends" and occupation begins. israel will look to other nations to help rebuild and feed the people. a lot of aid will come from muslim nations, which will invariably have weapons and bomb materials hidden in them to try and arm guerilla forces in gaza. maybe israel finds 9 out of 10, or even 99 out of 100 caches. some slips in, fighters get it, attack occupation forces. death tolls will be low but blow up the press, costs of occupation will pile up over the years, eventually govt caves to pressure and pulls out just like in 2005. they try and set up some sort of new govt that is opposed to hamas and a puppet to israel. that govt is about as effective at fighting hamas as the US's puppets were in Iraq or Afghanistan. which is not effective at all. Israel enjoys a slight reprieve post-withdrawal, because infighting in Gaza is the focus and terrorist attacks are located there. Puppet govt invariably loses meaningful control, or gets hung in the street, Hamas or the same group under a new name retakes control of Gaza. then you're either in war again, or under threat again.
so you either get a war again, attacked again, or are under threat again. its just a matter of time. but please tell me about all of the guerilla insurgency groups the Allies had to fight in Germany or Japan post-ww2. please tell me about how the unconditional surrenders didn't hold. please tell me about the rich benefactors well out of reach of the allies that were bank rolling Germany and Japan. square the circle.
This post was edited by thesnipa on Jun 9 2026 10:40am