Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 5 2026 03:38pm)

The two main archetypes we've seen so far are
{20 engorge, 20 bind demon, 1 blood oath, bone break + protector's stone}
vs
{20 engorge, 20 blood oath, 1 bind demon, flame rift + defender's fire}

The former build has about 20% less damage vs immunes and 60% less vs non-immunes with blood boil, but has 60% higher bind demon damage, and a higher HP demon despite being 1 point blood oath by using a unique lancer, and frees up 1 socket for MF or mostly offsetting the -% dr on bone break with a ber.
Otherwise the gear / skills / etc on the builds would be identical: 20 summon tainted, 20 blood boil, 20 demonic mastery, 1 hex siphon, 1 sigil lethargy. With ideal runtime gear of obsession in +3 base, shako, +2/20 crafted ammy, ars baalos, enigma, magefist, 2x soj, arach, resist boots. And max prebuff gear of mang songs, +3 circlet, +3 ammy, +5-6 tome(s), enigma, magefist, 2x soj, arach, wraithstep. And swapping in extra skillers, using bone break for joining game, using flame rift for summoning tainted, either way.

You shouldn't be going 1 point engorge either way. You mostly want blood boil against immunes, and the majority of its damage comes from the physical side + amp damage.

Quote (m4rin1 @ Jun 5 2026 04:37pm)

the unique lancer do not use the tz afix right? we need luck to get a unique lancer with cursed and hf? just keep trying every game ?

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 5 2026 06:43pm)

To find a unique lancer, you must find P8 games- any TZ affix, so basic baal games work- terrorize act 5 and search the 4 zones for any unique lancer who already has cursed affix
Its about 25% chance for each unique lancer to have cursed and 1/7 chance to get holy freeze, whether they're already aura enchanted or you add it to them
This means an average of 21+ unique lancers, when you might get ~1 per zone that spawns them, and ~40% chance to have lancers in any given zone

Its a pretty substantial amount of grinding, and harder to get than the TZ variant where once you have the zone opened in a P8 cursed game, you're basically guaranteed to get the lancer
Here you'll probably need 5-10 games of P8 players that you pre-teleport each area while they're doing baal runs before you backtrack and find the uniques
This is a very onerous task compared to the TZ method

Quote (Diabarblo @ Jun 5 2026 10:52am)

Taintlock is the best build this season.

I don't think using Blood Boil is necessary or worthwhile.

Don't sleep on the Flesh Spawner as your bound demon.

Thanks for the great plan Goomshill!

https://i.imgur.com/OzzmSKN.png

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 5 2026 07:47pm)

1.42 more levels until I join you at the top
but I'm determined to claim at least one prize per season, last time it was just a blood boil build in chaos vs pker, this time against donk trying to jack (someone else's) tz tombs

https://i.imgur.com/v6emeuL.jpeg

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 5 2026 08:47pm)

1.42 more levels until I join you at the top
but I'm determined to claim at least one prize per season, last time it was just a blood boil build in chaos vs pker, this time against donk trying to jack (someone else's) tz tombs

https://i.imgur.com/v6emeuL.jpeg

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 5 2026 02:38pm)

The two main archetypes we've seen so far are
{20 engorge, 20 bind demon, 1 blood oath, bone break + protector's stone}
vs
{20 engorge, 20 blood oath, 1 bind demon, flame rift + defender's fire}

The former build has about 20% less damage vs immunes and 60% less vs non-immunes with blood boil, but has 60% higher bind demon damage, and a higher HP demon despite being 1 point blood oath by using a unique lancer, and frees up 1 socket for MF or mostly offsetting the -% dr on bone break with a ber.
Otherwise the gear / skills / etc on the builds would be identical: 20 summon tainted, 20 blood boil, 20 demonic mastery, 1 hex siphon, 1 sigil lethargy. With ideal runtime gear of obsession in +3 base, shako, +2/20 crafted ammy, ars baalos, enigma, magefist, 2x soj, arach, resist boots. And max prebuff gear of mang songs, +3 circlet, +3 ammy, +5-6 tome(s), enigma, magefist, 2x soj, arach, wraithstep. And swapping in extra skillers, using bone break for joining game, using flame rift for summoning tainted, either way.

You shouldn't be going 1 point engorge either way. You mostly want blood boil against immunes, and the majority of its damage comes from the physical side + amp damage.

Quote (Goomshill @ Jun 5 2026 05:43pm)

To find a unique lancer, you must find P8 games- any TZ affix, so basic baal games work- terrorize act 5 and search the 4 zones for any unique lancer who already has cursed affix
Its about 25% chance for each unique lancer to have cursed and 1/7 chance to get holy freeze, whether they're already aura enchanted or you add it to them
This means an average of 21+ unique lancers, when you might get ~1 per zone that spawns them, and ~40% chance to have lancers in any given zone

Its a pretty substantial amount of grinding, and harder to get than the TZ variant where once you have the zone opened in a P8 cursed game, you're basically guaranteed to get the lancer
Here you'll probably need 5-10 games of P8 players that you pre-teleport each area while they're doing baal runs before you backtrack and find the uniques
This is a very onerous task compared to the TZ method

Quote (AlphaBetaGammaDelta @ Jun 6 2026 05:15pm)

How do you do enough dmg to them while keeping yourself alive? I'm running merc without infinity + a defiler and it's tough. I finally found a cursed pack but the one I bound killed another, I was only able to bind 3 and none yielded HF or Fanta