Quote (majorblood @ Jun 6 2026 06:04pm)

if this heretical arianism is the version of "Christianity" you believe is obviously false then i'd agree

and lol @ the copy paste at the end you have no clue of any philosophy again and it shows

Quote (addone @ Jun 5 2026 09:58pm)

I am simply taking a position "fake until proven true"

Christianity and religion in general fails to establish truth it just states claims as if they were true without demonstrating how they are true. They attempted to justify those claims through faith based presuppositions, hearsay and personal anecdotes and many the use of fallacies like arguments from ignorance. These are all very unreliable ways to prove anything especially the extraordinary claims made by religion.
The onus is on them to prove it, they have not.

Its been well over 2000 years for Christianity and even longer for other older religions to provide those receipts. Safe to say its fake, hence the thread title.
Besides many of the religious claims are unverifiable unless you have a time machine. The ones we can verify apologists produce excuses and won't admit they or the bible is wrong.

The question becomes of how many more centuries/millenia are we going to wait before something is officially classified as fake?

If christians would like to keep their religion they can't go around promoting it as true thats false advertising. They need to reclassify it as a myth or a christian theory.

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Richard Dawkins was once asked if God did exist what sort of evidence could God give you that would convince
you that he exists Dawkins couldn't think of anything he said that if God audibly spoke to him he would dismiss it
and conclude that he's hallucinating he said that even if God wrote a message to him in the Stars he still wouldn't
believe in God because the message in the Stars could have been put there by powerful aliens trying to trick him

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“We have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.”
-Richard Lewontin

Quote (KraftDinn3r @ Jun 6 2026 06:50pm)

What your telling me is that your unserious about this topic. The topic you created that has over 18k views and counting.

Morality is hand in hand with religion, the morality of humankind.

Morality is a system of principles, values, and behavioral standards that define what is considered right, good, or acceptable within a society or culture. It functions as a framework to guide human interaction, fostering cooperation and peaceful coexistence. Why do anything if its not good?

Quote (KraftDinn3r @ Jun 6 2026 06:06pm)

I think the question isn't about divinity but about morality. Is it?

Quote (addone @ 6 Jun 2026 03:38)

Go back and reread the conversation I was just noting we weren't discussing morality in that particular conversation not that you cannot discuss morality at all.

Also note discussing any orbital subjects must be in relation to supporting the main claim. Otherwise talking about morality for the sake of morality isn't productive.

Quote (TiStuff @ Jun 6 2026 07:17pm)

all assertion fallacy.
no science troubles scripture
and we already have proven nothing can change the mind of a 'atheist
by their own admission

the hubriss your interacting with. actually believes the aliens would be interested in tricking him

or


it might be to much to expect a rational conversations

also something in scripture about strong delusions and vain imaginations

Quote (addone @ Jun 6 2026 01:13am)

You are not very good at identifying fallacies are you? Assertion fallacy is a logical error where a claim is presented as true solely because it is stated. I didn't do that, I gave a reason that supports my claim.
Don't just call out fallacies because you think it will make you appear smarter, it does the opposite.

Again randomly bringing up Dawkins... he is clearly living rent free and I find it amuzing.

You aren't contributing anything meaningful to these conversations, just displaying signs of protest. Like an attention starved dog under the table trying to disturb the conversation adults trying to have.
Occasionally i'll throw you a chew toy so that you would go away but make no mistake no one here is taking you seriously.

Why don't you go to your "christian content" thread and have your non stimulating discussions over there?

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Assertion fallacy is a logical error where a claim is presented as true solely because it is stated.

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Don't just call out fallacies

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Again randomly bringing up Dawkins

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...make no mistake no one here is taking you seriously.

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Why don't you go to your "christian content" thread and have your non stimulating discussions over there?

Quote (addone @ Jun 6 2026 12:02am)

Its not what I believe its what is. Neither jesus nor the authors claimed him to be god. Jesus stated himself without the father he can't do nothing. Also he died just like any mortal further proving he was an ordinary man with magic powers granted by a wizard.
You have simply stated a belief but haven't established any facts to justify that belief.
Your argument remains invalid.

Again stating "you are wrong" or "lol" isn't an argumentment.

I pointed out further problems with your argument by listing different dilemmas as a quick list if you want me to eleborate further I can but dismissing them outright shows you either not serious or the position you hold is about to collapse.

Quote (addone @ 6 Jun 2026 03:38)

In general this thread is about establishing divinity or the magic claims.