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Jun 5 2026 10:58pm
"The Bible was compiled by men" and "many religions exist" are arguments against certainty, not arguments against truth. You still have to demonstrate why the claims are false rather than simply pointing out that humans transmitted them. Otherwise you're just replacing one belief "it's true" with another "it's obviously false" without showing the work in between.


A surprisingly philosophical take from the Cow King. I was expecting more moo, less wisdom. I think that's a fair way to view it. Whether someone sees the Bible as divine or not, the "compiled by men" argument doesn't automatically tell us whether the ideas themselves are true or false.


Yet another mystery of the Bible. Back to you ^addone


I am simply taking a position "fake until proven true"

Christianity and religion in general fails to establish truth it just states claims as if they were true without demonstrating how they are true. They attempted to justify those claims through faith based presuppositions, hearsay and personal anecdotes and many the use of fallacies like arguments from ignorance. These are all very unreliable ways to prove anything especially the extraordinary claims made by religion.
The onus is on them to prove it, they have not.

Its been well over 2000 years for Christianity and even longer for other older religions to provide those receipts. Safe to say its fake, hence the thread title.
Besides many of the religious claims are unverifiable unless you have a time machine. The ones we can verify apologists produce excuses and won't admit they or the bible is wrong.

The question becomes of how many more centuries/millenia are we going to wait before something is officially classified as fake?

If christians would like to keep their religion they can't go around promoting it as true thats false advertising. They need to reclassify it as a myth or a christian theory.
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Jun 5 2026 11:24pm
I am simply taking a position "fake until proven true"



I am simply taking a position "fake until proven true"

Christianity and religion in general fails to establish truth it just states claims as if they were true without demonstrating how they are true. They attempted to justify those claims through faith based presuppositions, hearsay and personal anecdotes and many the use of fallacies like arguments from ignorance. These are all very unreliable ways to prove anything especially the extraordinary claims made by religion.
The onus is on them to prove it, they have not.

Its been well over 2000 years for Christianity and even longer for other older religions to provide those receipts. Safe to say its fake, hence the thread title.
Besides many of the religious claims are unverifiable unless you have a time machine. The ones we can verify apologists produce excuses and won't admit they or the bible is wrong.

The question becomes of how many more centuries/millenia are we going to wait before something is officially classified as fake?

If christians would like to keep their religion they can't go around promoting it as true thats false advertising. They need to reclassify it as a myth or a christian theory.


What about the truth actually needs to be true? What about Christianity and other religions are you questioning?

It potentially sounds to me that you could possibility be questioning..morality?

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Jun 5 2026 11:54pm
just because you don't understand basic philosophy doesn't mean it's word salad.

Christ is fully God, you have zero understanding of basic Christianity. Everything in the trinity is in perichoresis originating in the Father, this is why He sees what his Father does.

you're terrible at basic debate or basic theological knowledge, this is honestly embarrassing how ignorant you are.


Neither jesus nor the authors of the bible ever claimed him to be god. He is a mortal man who the spirit "father" uses as a proxy. He even states without the father he is unable to do those miracles
John 5:19
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Jesus is useless without the father just like Thanos is useless without infinity stones. Well actually thanos is already immortal and possesses many powers with infinity gauntlet he basically becomes a god with unlimited power.
Your entire argument is rendered useless.

Furthermore your argument fails due to

Epistemic access problem
The Euthyphro Dilemma for Truth
Argument from ignorance god of gaps ‐ merely pushes the arguments back without proving the mechanism
Burden of Proof and Russell’s Teapot ‐ this is unverfiable assertion you must provide verifiable evidence for this specific metaphysical mechanism.


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Jun 6 2026 12:04am
can do nothing by himself



Yes this is true.

Jesus as man cannot do anything. Jesus as God can...but its still a half truth. God/Jesus can only help those to help themselves. Jesus is God, the two are one. We are just people so we need that helping hand, but only if we reach out.



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Jun 6 2026 12:04am
Neither jesus nor the authors of the bible ever claimed him to be god. He is a mortal man who the spirit "father" uses as a proxy. He even states without the father he is unable to do those miracles
John 5:19
Jesus gave them this answer: “Very truly I tell you, the Son can do nothing by himself; he can do only what he sees his Father doing, because whatever the Father does the Son also does.

Jesus is useless without the father just like Thanos is useless without infinity stones. Well actually thanos is already immortal and possesses many powers with infinity gauntlet he basically becomes a god with unlimited power.
Your entire argument is rendered useless.

Furthermore your argument fails due to

Epistemic access problem
The Euthyphro Dilemma for Truth
Argument from ignorance god of gaps ‐ merely pushes the arguments back without proving the mechanism
Burden of Proof and Russell’s Teapot ‐ this is unverfiable assertion you must provide verifiable evidence for this specific metaphysical mechanism.


if this heretical arianism is the version of "Christianity" you believe is obviously false then i'd agree

and lol @ the copy paste at the end you have no clue of any philosophy again and it shows
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Jun 6 2026 12:06am
I think the question isn't about divinity but about morality. Is it?
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Jun 6 2026 12:09am
No, but if you have some suggestions feel free to pm me and I'll get back to you on my thoughts if that's ok.


sent one :)
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Jun 6 2026 12:32am
What about the truth actually needs to be true? What about Christianity and other religions are you questioning?

It potentially sounds to me that you could possibility be questioning..morality?


Thats a redundant statement because truth is defined as the quality of corresponding to objective reality or fact, rather than merely reflecting belief or perspective.
Belief doesn't create truth it merely agrees with the claim it does not verify it.
Any and all religions.

Morality is an entirely different subject to this discussion.
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Jun 6 2026 12:50am
Thats a redundant statement because truth is defined as the quality of corresponding to objective reality or fact, rather than merely reflecting belief or perspective.
Belief doesn't create truth it merely agrees with the claim it does not verify it.
Any and all religions.

Morality is an entirely different subject to this discussion.


What your telling me is that your unserious about this topic. The topic you created that has over 18k views and counting.

Morality is hand in hand with religion, the morality of humankind.

Morality is a system of principles, values, and behavioral standards that define what is considered right, good, or acceptable within a society or culture. It functions as a framework to guide human interaction, fostering cooperation and peaceful coexistence. Why do anything if its not good?
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Jun 6 2026 12:53am
"The Bible was compiled by men" and "many religions exist" are arguments against certainty, not arguments against truth. You still have to demonstrate why the claims are false rather than simply pointing out that humans transmitted them. Otherwise you're just replacing one belief "it's true" with another "it's obviously false" without showing the work in between.


addone has made the claim "no God" when a person claims "no God" they themselves are making a godhood claim.
he doesnt have to show any work
he speaks from his own godhood
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