Quote (majorblood @ Jun 6 2026 11:04am)

i've already pointed out the incoherence of your thanos marvel comic position, I don't know why you cling to this it does not have the necessary attributes to ground the preconditions for intelligibility. your example is attempting to grasp at some of the metaphysical attributes of the Triune God but falls short, which is why the reductio ad absurdum is so effective against your false worldview.

you can take the position that logic is not justifiable or capable of being grounded but this would be an incoherent one because you'd be saying knowledge itself is impossible, your capability to make an argument would collapse. I am making the argument to ground logic because without grounding logic I cannot possibly make an argument on the validity of my own worldview, which is where your materialistic worldview fails and you cling at comic book characters in some weird immature desperation. this is the entire point of the critique

yes, if logic is universal, invariant and immaterial it would necessarily imply these very specific preconditions that the Triune God has, which part of this do you not understand?

I don't know what you're referring to when you say God "constantly changes". God does not change in essence or attributes, we experience His energia or activities in the world.

is your worldview materialistic and you are taking the position that logic itself cannot be grounded aka knowledge is impossible?

Quote (addone @ Jun 5 2026 05:46pm)

Your "necessary" attributes aren't justified they are simply presumptive. Also you conveniently ignored my counterpoint that jesus is a localized physical entity just like Thanos which disqualifies him from your own criteria.

Saying that knowledge itself is impossible without logic being grounded is an argument from ignorance.

You stated god is or has invariant mind. This is clearly not the case since he changes his mind and actions constantly in the bible from deciding to kill or spare people. The very act of learning new information creates a change.

Quote (CPK001 @ Jun 5 2026 06:53pm)

If that's the case it's not too late to change your mind, just like God will change His mind. Just like that Superannuation commercial, it's not too late. There is still time.

Quote (addone @ Jan 9 2026 03:42pm)

It is obviously a made up story from collections of writings with many unknown unverified authors. Translated and curated by several councils of men who decided what is to be included or excluded. Mainly so it's more palatable for an average pleb in order to control them.

If you step back and look at it as a whole it is nothing more then a bedtime story for adults to behave in a certain manner. It is one of many (thousands) of religions. Just about everyone on the planet had mythological story of some kind that they shared around the campfire. Everyone thinks theirs is the best and the one true religion, just like hardcore sports fans cheer for their home team.
As an outsider who isn't affiliated with any of these archaic dogmas it is obvious that none of them are the best or real. Observing here people in pard you will notice there is a distinct tribal conflict between left vs right.

The purpose of this thread is to explore the contradictions, make light of the magical story and to hopefully bring awareness to the religious fans who seem to be under the spell that their invisible dad is real.

Lets begin!

Quote (BrittanyDebell @ 5 Jun 2026 23:14)

"The Bible was compiled by men" and "many religions exist" are arguments against certainty, not arguments against truth. You still have to demonstrate why the claims are false rather than simply pointing out that humans transmitted them. Otherwise you're just replacing one belief "it's true" with another "it's obviously false" without showing the work in between.

Quote (KraftDinn3r @ Jun 6 2026 12:11am)

Addone is correct in this tho. Made by people who suffer from the same character problems we do today, not everything good is good and not everything bad is bad. Constant testing and a living example is how truth and trust are established.

Even then people can choose to do what they want. I personally find the Bible as just a character guide on how Jesus is, on how we could choose to be. I believe we all could potentially be Judas, to me Judas never believed in Jesus because Judas never believed in himself.

Quote (majorblood @ Jun 6 2026 02:09pm)

the necessary attributes are a priori from the category of transcendentals, this isn't "presumptive" if by that you mean "baseless".

Jesus is fully God and fully human, I don't see the issue or any strength in your "counterpoint".

it is not an argument from ignorance, you have no idea what you're talking about. this is an argument from necessity.

if you cannot justify reason there is no justified reason to believe you have knowledge using your worldview. do you understand this? you can still have knowledge but it means your worldview is not the correct one as it does not justify knowledge. if we work purely within the grounds of your own worldview and say there is no possibility of intelligibility knowledge becomes impossible.

God does not change his mind nor does he learn anything, holy tradition is meant to reveal God to us, not to take in whatever weird personal hyper literal interpretation you are making right now. I don't have interest in debating your strawman of my worldview so if you have questions just ask, in the same way I ask:

What is your worldview and how does it account for the possibility of intelligibility? how does it ground universal, invariant and immaterial laws of logic?

Quote (BrittanyDebell @ 6 Jun 2026 00:20)

Whether someone sees the Bible as divine or not, the "compiled by men" argument doesn't automatically tell us whether the ideas themselves are true or false.

Quote (addone @ Jun 5 2026 09:20pm)

Lmao "priori from category of transendentals", now you are just spitting word salads. Jordan Peterson is that you bro?

No jesus is not fully god he is a mortal shell that calls upon a magic wizard to perform "miracles" on his behalf, he even states that without the "father" he could not do anything by himself. Thats just plain ignorance of scripture.

I have knowledge and I dont need to ground it in anything. We have a common language because we agreed and decided to speak it and share the meaning of certain words. You can choose to speak a different language its not grounded in anything our ability to communicate isn't determined by any god. Through the common language we can communicate ideas and knowledge. We then filter knowledge through our senses and past experiences then determine what is useful or even intelligibile based on our goals and needs.

Right now you are failing to establish any justification for you claims that knowledge "needs" justifying at all.