How do you think my response was created? i wrote it and asked an Ai to tidy it up. here is my original response:



its way cleaner with AI and less inflammatory. This is a highly contentious topic, filled with personal attacks, I do not subscribe to personal attacks. If you don't like AI, thats your business, not mine.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 4 2026 03:52am

Look at how the US and the coalition handled post-ISIS Mosul or Raqqa. The West didn't swoop in to run the schools, manage trash collection, or appoint American mayors to run Iraqi and Syrian cities. Local municipal leaders and regional partners handled the day-to-day civilian stuff, while the military kept total freedom of action to drop in and neutralize counter-terrorism threats the second they popped up. Closer to home, look at Area B in the West Bank right now: Palestinian civil authorities manage daily life, but the IDF maintains full operational freedom to step in and shut down terror cells whenever necessary

That was the situation before 2005.
Until 2005, Israel controlled Gaza and the world screamed for apartheid and said it’s the biggest prison on earth.
Than Israel withdrew from Gaza thinking the world will congratulate the new situation which clearly lead to our current situation. And btw before Oct 7 the world kept screaming for apartheid and open air prison.
Ergo, the world doesn’t know how Israel should or should not act nor does he care. Let me fix that , he knows what not to do as killing Palestinians is wrong and govern over them is wrong.
What you basically are saying is that you agree with the assessment that the Palestinians are not yet ready to take the lead because the population is to hostile and extreme towards Israel.
You just believe that Israel should go back to before 2005 while I suggest more freedom to the Gazans to conduct their business. In either case Israel must supervise the de escalation of the Gazans.

I am going to bundle both of those together, in response:

Many_Names, I hear what you are saying, but Gaza is not a state. The models you suggested simply will not work in the current climate, with Gaza having been under sustained bombardment for two years and still experiencing ongoing strikes. There is very little trust from multiple sides. It is not logical for Israel to be optimistic about its desired end state of Gaza when the path chosen has been taken before - culminating the last two years bombardment. Achieving military objectives is not the same thing as getting buy-in from a population that has no reason to trust Israel.

WhiteSounded, in one of my previous responses I purposely left morality at the door. As we discussed before, neither Gaza or the West Bank are a country. They are occupied territories under the control of Israel. Ignoring the West Bank, from my position, Israel simply has no good idea as to what to do with Gaza. This is based on looking at the short and long term history. Right now it is 2026 and Israel has been bombing Gaza since Oct 7th 2023. Gaza has been severely degraded as a functioning place to live. Before anything else, Israel needs to now decide on its relationship with the people in Gaza. I believe that Israel went over the top in its bombardment of Gaza, which has destroyed any hope for the people in Gaza to trust Israel any time soon (decades).

You’re still looking at this as a nation building project where we need 'hearts and minds' or emotional buy-in from the population. Let's be real: there is zero trust, and there isn't going to be any trust for a very long time. No one is being optimistic here. This isn't about making friends; it’s about establishing a hard, unyielding security reality.
When the US-led coalition cleared ISIS out of Mosul, they didn't wait for the local population to fully trust them or love the West before setting up the new security baseline. The security model worked because ISIS was physically dismantled and couldn't openly organize anymore, not because everyone suddenly became optimistic.
The path chosen before wasn't this; the path chosen before was containment leaving Hamas in absolute control of a sovereign border and hoping a concrete wall would keep us safe. That failed permanently on October 7th. The new model doesn't rely on Palestinian buy in to keep the peace; it relies on the IDF having the unilateral capability to prevent another terrorist fortress from being built. If local leaders want to step up and handle the schools and sewers for their own people's sake, the door is open. If not, Israel is still going to hold the keys to the border, because our survival isn't up for negotiation based on whether the neighbors trust us or not."

So who runs Gaza?

im not reading all that, somebody give me a summary of the current conversation, thanks.

Israel’s stated approach is to dismantle Hamas militarily, prevent its reconstitution through ongoing security control of borders, airspace, and intelligence operations, and avoid permanent reoccupation. Governance of Gaza would be transferred to non-Hamas Palestinian actors with possible regional or international support, while Israel retains overriding security authority and intervention rights.

so whats the problem?

In effect the last 2 years can be summed up as "mowing the lawn". They are not addressing the root issue.
my point is every two week i have to mow my lawn, ergo what we have seen, we will see again. So to follow that train of thought, if ppl are pissed with Israel now, they will be really pissed in a few years time when they do it all over again.

This post was edited by ferdia on Jun 4 2026 09:52am