you addressed nothing in my argument and instead rely on your interpretation again, those quotes would work against matthew vines.

the person of the Holy Spirit, a gift given at Pentecost to the apostles, and given through the chain of succession as Christ established, is the person who guards Holy Tradition. He acts through the successors to the apostles in His Church which Christ established.

to say the bible was "misinterpreted" implies there is a correct interpretation and do you know who the pillar and ground of truth is? not your private interpretation

You addressed nothing in my argument either. Guess this conversation is over. Have a nice day.

I directly addressed your argument by saying you and matthew vines have no normative authority to interpret oral or written holy tradition

you claim there are misinterpretations while simultaneously claiming there is no normative authority on interpretation

I provided you the normative authority and how we know it is the case

at the very least you are consistent in your incoherence

I did not "claim" there are misinterpretations. It is a historical fact that the Bible has been misinterpreted in the past.

You have no normative authority either, so your argument is futile. And no you did not provide any normative authority. You're basically blowing hot air at this point.

There never was a point in having a conversation with you to begin with because you literally opened your post in here with a derogatory one-word insult. You can move along now.

how did I not claim a normative authority on the interpretation of both written and oral holy tradition? it is the apostles and the successors of the apostles in His church guarded by the Holy Spirit as laid out in Pentecost. We see this enacted in ecumenical councils and synods throughout history, e.g. where you got the canon of the written holy tradition that you and matthew vines erroneously interpret brought to you by the same normative authority you attempt to deny.

to say something is a historical fact is a claim, is English your second language? the necessary entailment of a misinterpretation means there is a correct way to interpret which would require there to be the possibility of knowledge of the correct interpretation.

to have that possibility of knowledge there must be a normative authority.

my first reply is accurate, anything outside of His church is anathema, your ecumenical and incoherent stance does not change this and instead leads to debauchery

This post was edited by majorblood on Jun 3 2026 02:59pm

Your first reply is not accurate, and you did not post that one word comment with a moral objective. You posted that in an attempt to insult and belittle me and others like me. That's arrogance and arrogance is a sin. You have sinned with that post. One thing is crystal clear to me: you think you are morally superior to me.

"The only thing more dangerous than ignorance is arrogance." -Albert Einstein

now you're mind reading intentions and declaring who is a sinner? I replied anathema to that because it is anathema, it is outside of His church; this is an ecclesiological fact as mathew vines is not a part of the church nor did he get any blessing from his non existing bishop to write on theology and interpretations of the written holy tradition.

you cannot hang at all theologically or logically now you attempt to hide behind personal feelings and insults and a fake einstein quote as if, even if it was a real quote, it has any relevance to the debate.

this is just beyond pathetic

here's a real and relevant quote

"Let no man do anything connected with the Church without the bishop" - St. Ignatius of Antioch

This post was edited by majorblood on Jun 3 2026 03:24pm

Here are some real and relevant quotes:

"Arrogance separates men from God." -Thomas Jefferson, in a commentary he wrote reflecting his religious and civic views.
"Arrogance diminishes wisdom." -traditional Arabian proverb

Lucifer fell from heaven because of his pride. Let that be a warning to you of your arrogance. I grew up with a very arrogant brother so I have plenty of experience working with the likes of you. You aren't intimidating me at all with your petty insults.

Mark 8:33 and Matthew 16:23

your petty victimhood is uninteresting to me and not persuasive. quoting a deist who literally used a razor and glue to mutilate the Holy Bible to take out places he didn't agree with is the perfect encapsulation of your understanding of the Church and Christianity.

reread Mark 8:33 and in humility put your mind to God and His Church rather than your personal interpretations and whatever comfort you get out of thinking homosexuality is supported by Him. Go to His Church, the Eastern Orthodox Church, and in humility speak to the priest.

your pride is thinking you have the correct interpretation and not the Church, repent as remaining in anathema is dangerous to your soul

I became a born again Christian at 9 years old. My soul is saved. I am at peace with God and I know He loves and accepts me as a gay man, and there is nothing you can say or do to take that peace away from me.

Your pride is thinking you have the correct interpretation, and your petty insults are boring and juvenile.

Mark 8:33 and Matthew 16:23