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of course most chars get -% from gear after sunder to make them effective, like nova sorcs with -90% from items and -17% from conviction so an immune is brought to -12% resists
but tainted don't benefit from -% on gear, so immunes have your choice of 100%/95%/78% with neither/sunder/sunder+infinity


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can spear woman with only 1 point into bind demon and max pré buff with merc using conc and might and the demon with fana kill ubers and colossus?
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can spear woman with only 1 point into bind demon and max pré buff with merc using conc and might and the demon with fana kill ubers and colossus?


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3a2_knTrXI

I have assembled my fully operational ladder taintlock now and this is what I'm talking about
I'm just holding down teleport until I hit a herald or immunes, and even with 2x soj I'd quickly run out of mana if not for the insight battle staff.

I think its pretty obvious what the ideal prebuff equipment is, +3 helm/ammy, sojs, enigma, magefist, mang song/measured wrath for easy, +6 dagger/tome for ideal but hard to obtain, plain skillers
We're still up in the air about what the best combination of MF/survivability would be for gear you wear at runtime. You could even swap out skillers for mf/life/resist grand charms. I don't even have a baalos or defender's fire yet, and I'm just using an um'd kiras and rising sun for resists/sorb. It could be a shako and maras and have higher BO.

But I think better than any other video I posted, this represents what I'm talking about with the gameplay loop, give it a look


Thanks for the vid. Interesting. What players level is this? I play single player offline and i've got my taintlock at P8 but it's slower going at times depending on density and where I am.
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May 31 2026 08:54pm
So the variant worth discussing is what if you cut skill points, either to blood oath or even engorge, and max bind demon
You'd be losing fire damage on blood boil and HP to your demons and yourself but nearly doubling the damage of your spearwoman. If you cut engorge and skipped blood boil as a damage source entirely you could rely on just the spearwoman, but I fear this would really hurt to deal with packs of immunes with numerous targets. Tainted can deal with stuff like fire immune flayers or fallen, but it really helps to have phys blood boil + amp against 15 herald fire immune wendigos / urdars / etc

I think the most on-join-game you can get reasonably is around +35 bind / 31 mastery (most technically possible is +37). With 1 point bind demon, that's +2188 base damage, +755% ed. And maxed out bind that's +3404 base damage, +850% ed. On a spearwoman with might merc it winds up around 30k vs 49k. And since you're maxing bind demon, you COULD even find a unique spearwoman with some extra affixes, lightning enchanted being really the only one that matters since it spreads amp a bit faster. Stone skin isn't very important now that its functionally immortal.

That's all just a hypothetical. I don't even know what % redirection is blood oath with only 1 point after +skills, might be nearly 29% anyway. And that immortal demon might be a lot less immortal with 665% less +max hp
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May 31 2026 09:04pm
So the variant worth discussing is what if you cut skill points, either to blood oath or even engorge, and max bind demon
You'd be losing fire damage on blood boil and HP to your demons and yourself but nearly doubling the damage of your spearwoman. If you cut engorge and skipped blood boil as a damage source entirely you could rely on just the spearwoman, but I fear this would really hurt to deal with packs of immunes with numerous targets. Tainted can deal with stuff like fire immune flayers or fallen, but it really helps to have phys blood boil + amp against 15 herald fire immune wendigos / urdars / etc

I think the most on-join-game you can get reasonably is around +35 bind / 31 mastery (most technically possible is +37). With 1 point bind demon, that's +2188 base damage, +755% ed. And maxed out bind that's +3404 base damage, +850% ed. On a spearwoman with might merc it winds up around 30k vs 49k. And since you're maxing bind demon, you COULD even find a unique spearwoman with some extra affixes, lightning enchanted being really the only one that matters since it spreads amp a bit faster. Stone skin isn't very important now that its functionally immortal.

That's all just a hypothetical. I don't even know what % redirection is blood oath with only 1 point after +skills, might be nearly 29% anyway. And that immortal demon might be a lot less immortal with 665% less +max hp


with max bind demon on a standard fire warlock build I can just death mark my elite hf spearbae on herald packs with lethargy sigil and watch her tank all on her own pretty much. Some aoe is definitely needed for the larger packs to speed things up, so these would be the two things to focus on imo. Fast pack clear speed for mobs, and maximizing spearwoman dps for the heralds. There are potentially quite a few ways to go about this.

If one could snag a conc elite spearbae with light enchant and cursed, I could see her and a might merc 3-4 shotting a 96tz p8 baal and eating heralds how cs zons eat bosses. Not sure if conc is worth the trade-off with HF, not even for amp purposes alone, but also for the synergy with lethargy sigil. In any case, both would be quite suitable for the task, assuming light enchanted is available when HF is not.

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So far I have so say Hell Witches from WSK1 have been the best demon for me. It's a little annoying when they cast something other than amp, but amp seems pretty frequent, and the blood star skill seems to also do a ton of damage if you blade warp/teleport spam on top of fire immunes. They stay out of the way unless you are stomping with them so they stay alive.

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So the variant worth discussing is what if you cut skill points, either to blood oath or even engorge, and max bind demon
You'd be losing fire damage on blood boil and HP to your demons and yourself but nearly doubling the damage of your spearwoman. If you cut engorge and skipped blood boil as a damage source entirely you could rely on just the spearwoman, but I fear this would really hurt to deal with packs of immunes with numerous targets. Tainted can deal with stuff like fire immune flayers or fallen, but it really helps to have phys blood boil + amp against 15 herald fire immune wendigos / urdars / etc

I think the most on-join-game you can get reasonably is around +35 bind / 31 mastery (most technically possible is +37). With 1 point bind demon, that's +2188 base damage, +755% ed. And maxed out bind that's +3404 base damage, +850% ed. On a spearwoman with might merc it winds up around 30k vs 49k. And since you're maxing bind demon, you COULD even find a unique spearwoman with some extra affixes, lightning enchanted being really the only one that matters since it spreads amp a bit faster. Stone skin isn't very important now that its functionally immortal.

That's all just a hypothetical. I don't even know what % redirection is blood oath with only 1 point after +skills, might be nearly 29% anyway. And that immortal demon might be a lot less immortal with 665% less +max hp


exaclly wqhat i pmed you about and you didnt even respond right? lol

i already tested it all best setup would be go to 2 tainted and 1max spearwoman

but in the end that was not the best build, best is normal bloodboil with 2 deifer with max spearwoman and all passives

i can even run 1 tainted and 1 defiller with 1 pooint only ( he can do up to 15+k damage even at 1 point wonder) whatever he kill fast with max point he kill fast with 1 point as well ( fully geared)

i run with infinty merc, and using obsession on main hand and insight on offhand ( bo barb)

getting a sunder charm with 70+ mana helpes this setup alot and for solo ubers just switch insight for pride and spearwoman delete them,

another amazing skill is sigil death


as again i ply hc soo im not 100% full dps

coa with colossus jewel + fire facet (i use fire damage here becouse the fisical damage with bind demon + 2 defilers or 1 defiler and 1 tainted with digyl death delete everythin)
maras
obsession
ars tor baalos with facet on obsession hand and with um rune on the insight/pride hand
opal vein fire ( bks for preccast if long game / ubers)
arach
wreithstep demon
magefist
sunder with -res mana
8 gcs and all res scs
torch

i can see for soft you might want more dps with mang,, i like the all and cast from obsession let me get 125 with coa

about the 1 point blood oath i dont think its worth the shared damage is almost the same ( 27 depending on your gear) but demon's life become wayy less, not worth in my opinion


with max bind demon on a standard fire warlock build I can just death mark my elite hf spearbae on herald packs with lethargy sigil and watch her tank all on her own pretty much. Some aoe is definitely needed for the larger packs to speed things up, so these would be the two things to focus on imo. Fast pack clear speed for mobs, and maximizing spearwoman dps for the heralds. There are potentially quite a few ways to go about this.

If one could snag a conc elite spearbae with light enchant and cursed, I could see her and a might merc 3-4 shotting a 96tz p8 baal and eating heralds how cs zons eat bosses. Not sure if conc is worth the trade-off with HF, not even for amp purposes alone, but also for the synergy with lethargy sigil. In any case, both would be quite suitable for the task, assuming light enchanted is available when HF is not.


gladly we discussed this build xD

its better to get a fana spearwoman with cursed using the defillers curse proc alot fast and conc you get get from pride on yourself for ubers/ any herald but from my test you dont really need it for ubers, without precast at lvl 45 ( thats my normal level without precast) she can wreck t5p8 i usually just use death sigil for big packs or lethartgy for single boss/ herald

This post was edited by m4rin1 on Jun 1 2026 10:44am
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exaclly wqhat i pmed you about and you didnt even respond right? lol

i already tested it all best setup would be go to 2 tainted and 1max spearwoman

but in the end that was not the best build, best is normal bloodboil with 2 deifer with max spearwoman and all passives

i can even run 1 tainted and 1 defiller with 1 pooint only ( he can do up to 15+k damage even at 1 point wonder) whatever he kill fast with max point he kill fast with 1 point as well ( fully geared)

i run with infinty merc, and using obsession on main hand and insight on offhand ( bo barb)

getting a sunder charm with 70+ mana helpes this setup alot and for solo ubers just switch insight for pride and spearwoman delete them,

another amazing skill is sigil death


as again i ply hc soo im not 100% full dps

coa with colossus jewel + fire facet (i use fire damage here becouse the fisical damage with bind demon + 2 defilers or 1 defiler and 1 tainted with digyl death delete everythin)
maras
obsession
ars tor baalos with facet on obsession hand and with um rune on the insight/pride hand
opal vein fire ( bks for preccast if long game / ubers)
arach
wreithstep demon
magefist
sunder with -res mana
8 gcs and all res scs
torch

i can see for soft you might want more dps with mang,, i like the all and cast from obsession let me get 125 with coa




gladly we discussed this build xD

its better to get a fana spearwoman with cursed using the defillers curse proc alot fast and conc you get get from pride on yourself for ubers/ any herald but from my test you dont really need it for ubers, without precast at lvl 45 ( thats my normal level without precast) she can wreck t5p8 i usually just use death sigil for big packs or lethartgy for single boss/ herald


Minus ur defensive gear, I've been playing that exact build and its much more enjoyable then braindead tainted
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