This hilarious to me because I also use spearbae to refer to them!

This post was edited by Beoron on May 28 2026 03:29pm

For the intent and purpose of an Amp Dmg bot, is there really any difference between Siren and Succubi?

Sirens cast amplify damage, succubi don't. All the succubus class only cast defense curse and blood mana curses, and the blood star (physical) + kick attack (magic). The siren class cast amplify damage, weaken, defense curse AND blood mana, along with blood star + kick attack. So you can't get the physical immune hell temptresses since they don't cast amp, and when you do get sirens they can overwrite amp with their other 3 curses. But they seem heavily weighted towards casting amplify damage over the other curses. Its unclear what % each curse has, parameters aren't labeled in the txt files
But it is a bit annoying that even if you take a holy freeze + cursed siren, she can overwrite amp with a useless weaken curse mid combat and fail to proc amp again.

I personally switched back to lancer for TZ games. Holy freeze + cursed alone seems to proc amp reliably enough on elite packs and especially heralds with their massive clumped mobs, but the lancer deals way more DPS to immunes and even 1 point and no might/conc/fanat she's already at ~17k damage. Very helpful for taking out immune heralds, and bosses die instantly to tainted anyway

Thanks for the clarification here. I saw this on Amazon Basin but there are so many people misquoting monster class that I really began to doubt my own answers.

The more I've played the more convinced I am that spearwomen are S tier this patch and should be used all by all demon builds, though maybe not very low skill non-demon builds like ES
Biggest drawback of spearwomen in 3.1 was their relatively low HP made them actually killable to heralds, but my p8 tz96 spearwoman with high blood oath doesn't even have her hp bar move against most heralds. I do notice some ranged physical + aura + cursed focus fire will make her hp delete slowly enough I have several seconds to react, the same mobs that would kill me instantly if any attacks connect. Figures that if they can deal 3000+ hp in a split second they can kill even a 2 million+ hp demon, but its so slow engorge easily covers it and I can avoid them given the huge risk, or just power through them with mass engorge if they're not immunes.

Even with prebuffed level 50 tainted x2 + bind demon setup, I find myself in immune areas like travincal simply summoning 2x defiler and killing with nothing but blood boil + spearwoman, as a spearwoman hit on a defiler soulbound target is more than 3x overall damage output and it multiplies out the blood boil. Have to either resummon lower tainted or go to town to prebuff, but in high fire immune areas its simply faster, at least without infinity

I agree, and I am more convinced of my theory of defilers increasing the chance of amp the more I play. She amps a lot more with two defilers up than without. Tainted also suffer from not benefiting from -fire res and even an infinity won't help much with that. Often I am using spearbae, defiler, and tainted, but like you I often find two defilers are better. I have started using my half powered blood boil some too, and the fire damage from it adds a fair bit of punch.

do we know if the bind demon get benefit from the - res from bone break and colossus jewel?

The only one who gets these benefits is the person using the charm or jewel. Can you give the charm/jewel to your demon? No.

for blood boil is better the fire sunder/jewel or the phys?

im considering physycal sunder and fire jewel since lancer will do damag to everyone then

but the sunder charm will need to be - res to help boil damage



This post was edited by m4rin1 on May 30 2026 03:27am