Quote (addone @ May 27 2026 10:12pm)

Here is a few there are many more

Leviticus 25:44-46
44 As for your male and female slaves whom you may have: you may buy male and female slaves from among the nations that are around you. 45 kYou may also buy from among the strangers who sojourn with you and their clans that are with you, who have been born in your land, and they may be your property. 46 You may bequeath them to your sons after you to inherit as a possession forever. You may make slaves of them, but over your brothers the people of Israel lyou shall not rule, one over another ruthlessly.

Exodus 21:20-21
“When a man strikes his slave, male or female, with a rod and the slave dies under his hand, he shall be avenged. But if the slave survives a day or two, he is not to be avenged, for the slave is his money.

Exodus 21:17
Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death

Let take any morals like you shall not kill/murder. This was a long established rule of law in most civilizations which predate any Bible, Torah or the Quran.
Do unto others or the golden rule has been long long established principle to live by. Before the phrase was coined it was just reciprocity. The earliest known formulation is found in ancient Egyptian texts, specifically The Eloquent Peasant (c. 2040–1650 BCE) and The Instructions of Ptahhotep (c. 2400 BCE), which advocate for reciprocity and harmony.

Specific enough for you?

Quote (Coerce @ May 28 2026 03:39pm)

For the context of this, these were specific rules for a specific people at a specific time in a time where people would willingly (not always but many if not most of the time) would become indentured servants because life was harsh and it was often one of the best options for people. It DOES NOT endorse slavery and never does or has (it has been warped and abused before by people). Even Christ refutes this in the New Testament. |The Apostle Paul emphasized that within the Christian faith, the spiritual standing of believers supersedes their earthly social status, famously stating that in Christ, "there is no longer slave or free". He taught that a slave is a "freedman of the Lord" [1 Corinthians 7:22] and urged masters to welcome their slaves as "dearly loved brothers" [Philemon 1:16].

These rules were in place were because even though God is not pro slavery (given the fact we are instilled us with free will) He knew that people would still have slaves because of the freedom to do so (an unfortunate result of the use of free will).

It's not specific enough if you're a moral relativist, which it seems like from your previous conversations/responses you are. Please correct me if I am wrong here. Do unto others? What if the society thinks rape is a form of exertion of strength?

Quote (addone @ May 27 2026 11:31pm)

Lol calls me moral relativist as he proceeds to justify morals of the past no longer apply. Good one

Matthew 5:17-18
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished.”
Romans 3:31
Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law.

Jesus did not abolish the laws of the old testament which means slavery is part of the new testament. Along with murdering children, homosexuals and all kinds of dark rituals. Nice try grifter.

Exodus 21:17
Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death

Does "anyone" mean "specific people at a specific time" on your planet?

Quote (Coerce @ May 28 2026 05:09pm)

Morals of the past were perfected through example and teachings of Christ. Moral relativism means that morals change based on what society views. Your argument is fallacious because the Word is perfect even when applied through a modern lense of the "barbaric" laws that were established and followed before Christ.

Fulfilled, in this case, means that since Christ is the Logos (the Word incarnate) and has come to properly interpret and give example. It doesn't mean that the ritual laws remained as they had no place in Jewish practice once the final sacrifice has been made. There was no need to adhere to sacrificial laws. There was no need to stone anyone anymore. There IS now repentance and forgiveness, Again you show us the example of Exodus (mother father etc) which is refuted as above.

Think about Israel (the people) as children. Humans were still in their "toddler" phase so to speak but on a more broad level. God did enact harsher punishments and even allowed things like multiple wives despite being against it due to their hardness of their hearts. Then, as they progressed, somewhere the interpretation became corrupt hence the Pharisee's needing correct and guidance despite multiple prophets attempting to do so before.

Quote (addone @ May 27 2026 11:01pm)

If morals were perfected over time implies they weren't perfect to begin with and if morals are specific to certain people, places and time then they are intrinsically relative.
That is the definition of moral relativism where truth values changes with context of use.

You have been in agreement with me all along. Just need to adjust your stance on fake christianity and the transformation will be complete

Quote (addone @ May 28 2026 08:15am)

We thought you wanted a list of religions that challenged creation narrative we delivered. But you didn't actually want the content, your strategy all along was to wear us down with your excessive demands spoon feeding you information you never were going to process anyway so that you can come in with "gotcha". Thanks for exposing yourself grifter.
You know that I am not religious yet you still expect me to be excited on behalf of other religions. Thats like expecting a dog to be excited to be a cat then concluding cats aren't real because a dog didn't meet your expectation of excitement.

Being excited and talking about a subject doesn't make the subject true. There are plenty of religious people who will happily spend entire day talking to you about their religion. For example there is a Hare Krishna on every corner jumping with excitement chanting does that mean Krishna is real? Another unreliable yardstick for measuring truth.

Also if you were so "happy and joyful" in talking about your religion how come there is radio silence when it comes to the matter of proving your god? How come christians scatter like cockroaches when "prove it" is mentioned?

Quote (CPK001 @ May 28 2026 07:52pm)

Yep and you fell for it, hook, line and sinker. Your analogy doesn't even come close to anything that could be considered a rational thought.

If there are so many other religions out there then why did you choose Christianity specifically? What is it that irks you about Christians that none of the other religions do? You aren't willing to share your personal experiences.

Radio Silence? All you have are Moses and the Prophets. If you will not listen to them then not even someone you love rising from the dead would be enough to convince you. You still have no idea why you are in need of forgiveness as you haven't repented of your sin.

We have been proving it but you immediately toss away anything given to you without a second thought.

As for the Law, Paul explains it in the book of Romans Chapter 7. The Law exposes human sin as we are now aware of how short we fall of The Law. The Law was never the problem. The problem is sin.

You would do well to read The Bible one day.

Quote (addone @ May 28 2026 01:01am)

If morals were perfected over time implies they weren't perfect to begin with and if morals are specific to certain people, places and time then they are intrinsically relative.
That is the definition of moral relativism where truth values changes with context of use.

You have been in agreement with me all along. Just need to adjust your stance on fake christianity and the transformation will be complete

Quote (Coerce @ May 28 2026 01:21pm)

It's not the morals that weren't perfect, it was the INTERPRETATION that lacked perfection...

These morals have always been perfect. Some of the laws were ritual laws, some were Jewish law, and some were laws applicable to all people (10 commandments etc). Maybe the argument could be made they were relative in that manner, but the morals are still established by God NOT the society's opinion which is the modern view of the idea of moral relativism.

Moral relativism is inherently flawed. People intrinsically know right from wrong when it comes to major sins like murder, theft, adultery etc.

Quote (Kaltrato @ May 28 2026 01:59pm)

Religion should stop glazing their god with all these perfection attributes. If all this guy ever did was complete perfection, we shouldnt drown in imperfection. You cant just say it wasnt him becaude it was us. This is stupid. Realize it. Its stupid, guys.

Our free will created flaw? Well guess who created our free will. Idiots.